Scotland Watch

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 16 Sep 2014, 00:46

Tarrel wrote:
biffvernon wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote: " a fair bit of solar." ?? At just 2.26 hours of sun per day average at Edinburgh it is more like a Wee bit and a poor investment considering other renewable alternatives.
Hmmm... Look at the data: http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/U ... nshine.php

Edinburgh is given as 1421 hours per year or 3.9 hours per day.
Compare to the nearest figure for my neck of the woods, Grimsby at 1540 hours or 4.2 hours per day. Now convert that into real power, I get an average of almost 10 kWhrs per day from my almost 4kW rated pv system.

Conclusion, Scotland has a fair bit of solar potential.
Also, due to the high latitude, that average is made up of high and low extremes in summer and winter respectively. The higher output in summer is a natural complement to the lighter winds at that time of year.

In the height of summer we have 20 hours of daylight. Also, in our area in the Highlands, the air is exceptionally clear.

Eta: Plus, if I understand it correctly, the lower sun angle means the optimum angle for the panels is closer to the vertical, meaning less land area required for a solar farm of given capacity.

The figure I gave included discounts for cloud cover. Now 2.26 X 4kw of panels =8.92 kwh so yes I am not surprised you get almost 10KHW per day.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 16 Sep 2014, 00:49

Tarrel wrote: Eta: Plus, if I understand it correctly, the lower sun angle means the optimum angle for the panels is closer to the vertical, meaning less land area required for a solar farm of given capacity.

Not quite. they have to be spaced further apart north and south to not be in each others shadows. It would take less panels to cover an acre but you would still need the exclusive use of the whole acre.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 16 Sep 2014, 00:54

John Oliver has done a nice piece for the No vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 16 Sep 2014, 08:34

vtsnowedin wrote:John Oliver has done a nice piece for the No vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0

Youtube says "not available in your country"

Now, had that been a pro-yes piece, the yes camp would be loudly complaining that Youtube is biased, and bullying Scots.

AndySir · Post by **AndySir** » 16 Sep 2014, 09:29

UndercoverElephant wrote:[ There will be a near unanimous feeling in the rest of the UK that the Scots should be given no breaks whatsoever - that they should be absolutely shafted at every turn during the negotiations. What, after all, would happen if the negotiations were so tainted with mutual dislike and such an unwillingness on the part of the UK to let Scotland get away with anything at all, that the process breaks down completely?

This is always the last threat from the abusive spouse being divorced: I will make your life hell! You will get NOTHING, you hear me?

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 16 Sep 2014, 10:05

What, after all, would happen if the negotiations were so tainted with mutual dislike and such an unwillingness on the part of the UK to let Scotland get away with anything at all, that the process breaks down completely?

An early test for the Scottish Defence Force?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 16 Sep 2014, 11:29

But the truth is that most folk in England actually rather like the Scots.

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 16 Sep 2014, 11:39

if you look at wars and allies people switch this way and that, the germans were great when we fought the french, then bad when someone deemed them a threat .

White Rhodesians and south africans were great in two world wars when they fought and died for our defence, then we betrayed them and nobody cares that they have been driven out of their homelands raped and killed.

So the world turns, perfidious albion the english and scots could well end at each others throats

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 16 Sep 2014, 12:13

UndercoverElephant wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:John Oliver has done a nice piece for the No vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0
Youtube says "not available in your country"

Now, had that been a pro-yes piece, the yes camp would be loudly complaining that Youtube is biased, and bullying Scots.

What the net is censored? Too bad it is a hoot. He poked fun at everything from Mel Gibson to the Scottish unicorn. Showed the PM how to really beg when you need to.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 Sep 2014, 12:40

vtsnowedin wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
vtsnowedin wrote:John Oliver has done a nice piece for the No vote.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0
Youtube says "not available in your country"

Now, had that been a pro-yes piece, the yes camp would be loudly complaining that Youtube is biased, and bullying Scots.
What the net is censored? Too bad it is a hoot. He poked fun at everything from Mel Gibson to the Scottish unicorn. Showed the PM how to really beg when you need to.

OK to watch in Ireland. Not bad. I like the bit about David Cameron - "He embodies all I hate about England - and I'm English!". Yup +101%.

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 16 Sep 2014, 12:45

The uploader has not made this video available in your country.

Try http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25zj8 ... ndence_fun

He's not that funny, which is why we exported him in the first place.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 Sep 2014, 12:57

Mr. Fox wrote:
The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
Try http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x25zj8 ... ndence_fun

He's not that funny, which is why we exported him in the first place.

Yeah, not exactly a 'hoot' but as I said, not bad. It could have been worse, he could've been American.

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 16 Sep 2014, 14:11

emordnilap wrote:It could have been worse, he could've been American.

Meh.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 16 Sep 2014, 14:32

AndySir wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:[ There will be a near unanimous feeling in the rest of the UK that the Scots should be given no breaks whatsoever - that they should be absolutely shafted at every turn during the negotiations. What, after all, would happen if the negotiations were so tainted with mutual dislike and such an unwillingness on the part of the UK to let Scotland get away with anything at all, that the process breaks down completely?
This is always the last threat from the abusive spouse being divorced: I will make your life hell! You will get NOTHING, you hear me?

Exactly. As Cameron pointed out yesterday, this, if it happens, is going to be like a very nasty divorce.

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 16 Sep 2014, 14:51

The fact that some Scots are being offered an escape route from oppression but are reluctant to take it is akin to a battered wife refusing to leave her rotten husband.

Westminster has been a serial abuser of Scotland – like some drunk and manipulative bully, spending all his wife’s hard-earned income and then blaming her for not having enough money at the end of the week.

It was Scotland’s North Sea oil that bailed out Margaret Thatcher’s flawed economic policy of destroying the UK’s productive industry while financialising the economy and selling off national assets at less than half their value. The hardest hit were those in the manufacturing north and, in particular, Scotland. With North Sea oil, Thatcher could afford to carry out this folly without being called to account, using oil revenues to pay for the unemployment benefits claimed by those who might otherwise have been employed in manufacturing.

http://wolfstreet.com/2014/09/15/run-scotland-run/