SHOULD ISIS BE STOPED?

[Catweazle]

Do we actually have people on this thread arguing about the term "Barbaric" ? If we do, then the terrorists have already won, we are the weak infidels they say we are, and in their minds we are to be led to the market place and sold as slaves or slaughtered.

Get a grip people - sometimes a foreign "culture" is not valid, it's backward and brutal.

[Mr. Fox]

sometimes a foreign "culture" is not valid, it's backward and brutal.

Well, there's something I'm sure we can all agree on - along with quite a few Iraqis.

[biffvernon]

We've tried being the World's policeman. It went badly.

Perhaps we should try to be the World's guru.

[kenneal - lagger]

If you look at ISIS and the areas it controls there seem to be a very large number of people trying to get away from them to live in peace and a very few people trying to join them to cause war.

What ever the US and allies might have done in Iraq they didn't force people to choose between changing religion or dying. There weren't massive displacements of populations to "safe" areas.

[Little John]

If you look at ISIS and the areas it controls there seem to be a very large number of people trying to get away from them to live in peace and a very few people trying to join them to cause war.

What ever the US and allies might have done in Iraq they didn't force people to choose between changing religion or dying. There weren't massive displacements of populations to "safe" areas.

Quite true, the Yank elites and their allies would never engage in such barbaric cultural practices. By and large, they have always tended to reserve such practices for proxy expression via their various barbaric puppet regimes in the region. The only difference here is that this latest group of barbaric bastards running amok in the Middle-East are very barbaric indeed and do not appear to be under direct control of the West. Though, I am bound to speculate at the suspicious capriciousness of the fact of their existence and their ability to rise from nowhere, fully armed and capable and providing such perfect media opportunities for the Yanks to go back in to "finish the job".

Just call me Mr Cynical.

[vtsnowedin]

If you look at ISIS and the areas it controls there seem to be a very large number of people trying to get away from them to live in peace and a very few people trying to join them to cause war.

What ever the US and allies might have done in Iraq they didn't force people to choose between changing religion or dying. There weren't massive displacements of populations to "safe" areas.

Quite true, the Yank elites and their allies would never engage in such barbaric cultural practices. By and large, they have always tended to reserve such practices for proxy expression via their various barbaric puppet regimes in the region. The only difference here is that this latest group of barbaric bastards running amok in the Middle-East are very barbaric indeed and do not appear to be under direct control of the West. Though, I am bound to speculate at the suspicious capriciousness of the fact of their existence and their ability to rise from nowhere, fully armed and capable and providing such perfect media opportunities for the Yanks to go back in to "finish the job".

Just call me Mr Cynical.

You most certainly are the prototype of the cynic. To be correct your suspected masterminds of the Yanks would have to be both very clever and capable or extreme secrecy. I see little evidence of that in the US elites. Greedy and evil there is no shortage of but cunning and subterfuge not so much.
When a recent head of the CIA could not manage to keep a little dalliance secret it is hard to credit them with the ability to pull off what you are alluding to.

[kenneal - lagger]

You most certainly are the prototype of the cynic. To be correct your suspected masterminds of the Yanks would have to be both very clever and capable or extreme secrecy. I see little evidence of that in the US elites. Greedy and evil there is no shortage of but cunning and subterfuge not so much.
When a recent head of the CIA could not manage to keep a little dalliance secret it is hard to credit them with the ability to pull off what you are alluding to.

IS are being paid by one of the Gulf regimes, I would think, maybe even Saudi or one of the Saudi princes.

[Little John]

You most certainly are the prototype of the cynic. To be correct your suspected masterminds of the Yanks would have to be both very clever and capable or extreme secrecy. I see little evidence of that in the US elites. Greedy and evil there is no shortage of but cunning and subterfuge not so much.
When a recent head of the CIA could not manage to keep a little dalliance secret it is hard to credit them with the ability to pull off what you are alluding to.

IS are being paid by one of the Gulf regimes, I would think, maybe even Saudi or one of the Saudi princes.

A lot of them were trained by the Israelis and the Yanks in Jordon. I shit you not. All in order to wreak havoc on Syria. Or, at least I dare say that was the original plan. After, all, the Yanks pulled that trick once before with the Taliban in Afghanistan in yet another proxy war with Russia, which is what Syria is really about since Assad's regime has always been closely aligned with Russia. I mean, it worked just fine and dandy in Afghanistan didn't it? What could possibly go wrong?

[Catweazle]

the Yanks pulled that trick once before with the Taliban in Afghanistan in yet another proxy war with Russia, which is what Syria is really about since Assad's regime has always been closely aligned with Russia. I mean, it worked just fine and dandy in Afghanistan didn't it? What could possibly go wrong?

You're obviously confused. The US supplied arms to the Mujahideen, who were freedom fighters against Soviet aggression. Totally different to the Taliban who are terrorists fighting against democracy.

Any similarities between the two factions, such as being the same people for example, are totally coincidental and irrelevant.

I hope that's cleared it up.

[biffvernon]

I gather that a remarkable proportion of the leaders of those we cast as terrorists/insurgents etc. were trained at Sandhurst.

[UndercoverElephant]

the Yanks pulled that trick once before with the Taliban in Afghanistan in yet another proxy war with Russia, which is what Syria is really about since Assad's regime has always been closely aligned with Russia. I mean, it worked just fine and dandy in Afghanistan didn't it? What could possibly go wrong?

You're obviously confused. The US supplied arms to the Mujahideen, who were freedom fighters against Soviet aggression. Totally different to the Taliban who are terrorists fighting against democracy.

Any similarities between the two factions, such as being the same people for example, are totally coincidental and irrelevant.

I hope that's cleared it up.

[frayne]

This sound stupid but where did they get their assets that worth billion dollars?

[vtsnowedin]

This sound stupid but where did they get their assets that worth billion dollars?

They have made millions kidnapping people and ransoming them back. They also are shipping oil from fields they now control into Turkey and they knocked off a bank with a lot of gold in it.

[Little John]

This sound stupid but where did they get their assets that worth billion dollars?

they have made millions kidnapping people and ransoming them back. They also are shipping oil from fields they now control into Turkey and they knocked off a bank with a lot of gold in it.

So, on the one hand these are brutal medieval morons and, on the other, are economic and strategic masterminds? Whilst I have no doubt that they are organised and committed, there’s far more to their phenomenally swift rise to prominence than can be accounted for by merely the above.

[kenneal - lagger]

You don't have to be a moron to be savage and brutal with a culture from the middle ages. Many of our worst serial killers have been highly intelligent people.