Israel wants the Palestinian Gas
Moderator: Peak Moderation
No matter what difficulties the Arabs may have with one another, the unassailable fact remains that Israel is a state based on the violent theft of a nation. Not only that, but the theft has accelerated at every opportunity to the point where Palestine and it's people are about to be rubbed out of existence. That was always Israel’s goal and, if the world continues to look the other way, it will succeed. Or, at least, in the short term it will. In the longer term, Israel's fate is sealed and it will pay for its hideous crimes.
We really do live in a f***ed up world where we are expected to believe that up is down, black is white, the truth is a lie and that the stain on the world that is the State of Israel is not guilty of the slow motion genocide of an entire people.
No more appeasements.
No more apologetics.
No more sickening excuses.
No more.
We really do live in a f***ed up world where we are expected to believe that up is down, black is white, the truth is a lie and that the stain on the world that is the State of Israel is not guilty of the slow motion genocide of an entire people.
No more appeasements.
No more apologetics.
No more sickening excuses.
No more.
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Brilliant. We need more voices like that.biffvernon wrote:As we all know, if we want to find out about important stuff we have to turn to pop-stars and celebrities. Brian Eno, by virtue of his ability to create interesting sounds, is worth listening to. Here he writes a letter that is easy to identify with. The reply, from his friend Peter Schwartz, should give pause for thought.
http://davidbyrne.com/gaza-and-the-loss-of-civilization
Sums it up.when the Palestinians finally erupt with their pathetic fireworks they get hammered and shredded with state-of-the-art missiles and depleted uranium shells because Israel 'has a right to defend itself' ( whereas Palestine clearly doesn't)
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Status Update
By Pippa Bartolotti
According to the Conservatives for Israel (CFI) website 80% of Tory MPs are members of Conservative Friends of Israel. Approximately 100 MPs including 6 cabinet ministers along with 40 peers. I did not create this list, just passing it on. Here are some, in alphabetical order:
• James Arbuthnot MP[12]
• Graham Brady MP[13]
• Alistair Burt MP [1]
• James Clappison MP,[14]
• Iain Duncan-Smith MP[15]
• Liam Fox MP[15]
• Mike Freer MP[16]
• William Hague MP[17]
• Robert Halfon MP[18]
• Richard Harrington MP[18]
• Lord Stanley Kalms[19]
• Malcolm Rifkind MP[20]
Former and current members of Labour Friends of Israel include:
• David Abrahams - former Treasurer [10]
• Lord Archer of Sandwell[11]
• Sir Stuart Bell MP [12]
• Luciana Berger MP, Former Director of LFI[13]
• Tony Blair former MP and Prime Minister[14][15]
• Lord Janner of Braunstone Q.C. Former MP for Leicester West, Former President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews & Current Chair of the British Israel Parliamentary Group.
• David Blunkett MP and former Home Secretary[11]
• Gordon Brown MP and former Prime Minister[14][15][16]
• Chris Bryant MP[11] and former Minister for Europe
• Stephen Byers former MP and Secretary of State for Trade and Industry[11]
• Wayne David MP[11]
• Andrew Dismore [11]
• Louise Ellman MP, Vice Chair of LFI [11]
• Derek Foster, former MP[11]
• Lord Foulkes MSP and former MP[11]
• Mike Gapes MP - former Vice Chair of LFI (2004)[17]
• Anthony Greenwood, Lord, Former MP, first Chair of LFI (1957)[2]
• Andrew Gwynne MP, Chair of LFI (2010)[11]
• Fabian Hamilton MP[11]
• Joan Humble, former MP[11]
• Baroness Hayman[11]
• Barbara Keeley MP[11]
• Jane Kennedy, former MP, current Police and Crime Commissioner for Merseyside[11] - Chair (2007)[11]
• Ivan Lewis MP, former Vice Chair of LFI [18]
• Lord Macdonald of Tradeston[11]
• Denis MacShane MP[11]
• Anne McGuire MP - Chair (2013)[19]
• Jonathan Mendelsohn - former Chair of LFI (2002)[20]
• Alun Michael MP, former Leader of the Welsh Labour Party[11]
• Andrew Miller MP[11]
• Jim Murphy MP - former Chair of LFI (2001), former Secretary of State for Scotland [21]
• Dan Norris former MP[11]
• Nick Palmer, former MP[11]
• James Purnell former Chair of LFI, former MP and Secretary of State for Work and Pensions [22]
• Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale[11]
• John Reid former MP and Home Secretary (2007)[23]
• Terry Rooney, former MP[11]
• Dari Taylor, former MP[11]
• Gary Titley, former MEP[11]
• John Woodcock MP, Chair of LFI (2011)[6]
• Glenis Willmott MEP, Vice Chair of LFI
• Lord Winston[11]
• Iain Wright MP, former Chair of LFI (2006)[11]
• Lord Young of Norwood Green[11]
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Sick beyond belief: Israeli sniper boasts I Killed 13 Gaza Children
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Which may, or may not, be true.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-media-war ... ay-1459235
The list of British Politicians who support Israel is definitely true.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/gaza-media-war ... ay-1459235
The list of British Politicians who support Israel is definitely true.
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David Ward petition: We Demand that the British Government stands up for the Palestinians now
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Friends_of_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_D ... _of_Israel
At a rough guess, around 20% of Labour MPs and 10% of LibDems. Along the the list of Conservatives Biff posted above, that's a lot of people - in positions of power and influence - having the explicit aim of wiping a country off the map.
Of course, the spin is that they're working with Israel to 'achieve a lasting peace', which is like Russell Brand joining 'Friends of Drug Dealers'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_D ... _of_Israel
At a rough guess, around 20% of Labour MPs and 10% of LibDems. Along the the list of Conservatives Biff posted above, that's a lot of people - in positions of power and influence - having the explicit aim of wiping a country off the map.
Of course, the spin is that they're working with Israel to 'achieve a lasting peace', which is like Russell Brand joining 'Friends of Drug Dealers'.
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Still, they've got a ceasefire now. Only four Palestinians killed so far.
edit: Oh, spoke to soon
edit: Oh, spoke to soon
edit2:Zaid Benjamin
‏@zaidbenjamin
#Breaking: Over 30 Palestinians killed in Rafah south of #Gaza after the collapse of the ceasefire - Local Media
10.48am BST
The death toll from Israeli shelling near the southern Gaza town of Rafah is rising sharply. Reuters is now reporting that at least 40 people have died, which would make this one of the deadliest days of the conflict.
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With the support of the USA http://reformunsc.wordpress.com/2014/08 ... a-carnage/
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In their twisted minds, these are the same thing. In reality, their Final Solution would simply create millions more Palestinian refugees living neighbouring countries, and engender worldwide hatred of Jews and Israel. They'll end up with more territory under Jewish control, but they won't be a single step closer to peace or security.stevecook172001 wrote:The Israelis do not want peace. They want a Final Solution to the Palestinian Problem.
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The United Nations is a failure, just as the League of Nations was a failure before it.biffvernon wrote:With the support of the USA http://reformunsc.wordpress.com/2014/08 ... a-carnage/
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Mark Steel: How Silly it was of me to assume it was Israeli bombs causing all the damage in Gaza
Mark Steel wrote: In recent years most of humanity has become more tolerant of groups who once seemed to be on the margins of society. But until now it’s still been acceptable to be offensive about one minority: the child murdering community.
At last it seems the mood is changing, and finally we’re beginning to hear the child murderers’ point of view.
For example one brave soul, prepared to speak out, is spokesman Uri Dromi, who explained on Radio 4 yesterday that although the Israeli government bombed a school that several children died in, the deaths are clearly the fault of the people who live in the areas being bombed.
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She was a true politician.Golda Meir wrote:"We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children," she said. "But we can never forgive them for forcing us to kill their children."
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker