Israel wants the Palestinian Gas

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 28 Jul 2014, 00:40

vtsnowedin wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote: All those people fought their own wars. They did not involve a religious group being parachuted in from various other parts of the world, to found a new country based on a biblical prophecy, bankrolled and supported militarily by the most powerful country on the planet, which was itself controlled by a bunch of religous extremists.

You really can't see the difference, can you?

Substitute the word sailing for your parachuted and you have a very good conscription of the Spanish Conquistadors who for Ferdinand and Isabella had driven the Moors from Spain then sailed to the new world and seized much of it for their own in the name of god. How they treated the natives was not very Christian but who keeps score of such things? Oh and nobody fights their own wars. Those with power and wealth amass armies of poor people and allies with armies of their own and get them to risk death for little reward. Always been that way and always will be.
You don't really believe the Palestinians ever attacked the Israelis on their own do you? Your young I suppose and don't actually remember the six day war.

You talk about the six day war as if it was some kind of crime. Irrespective of the outcome, it was justified. They stole their f***ing land!

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 28 Jul 2014, 01:07

You might read this. It appears to have it's facts straight.
http://www.sixdaywar.orconhosting.net.n ... leadup.htm

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 28 Jul 2014, 01:23

I'm well aware of the players involved, notably the PLO, Syria and Egypt, as well as the Jordanians. The fact remains unassailably the case that all conflicts between Israel and all other players in the region stem from the central fact of the illegitimate existence of Israel as a state based on the theft of a nation in that region. A state that was imposed on the region by the Brits and the Yanks and has continued to be so by the Yanks. Without the USA, Israel would have been annihilated decades ago. Unless your country stays top dog and is also prepared to support the existence of Israel in-perpetuity, Israel will fall, it's just a matter of when. There may have been perhaps only a sliver of hope of some kind of settlement some decades back. Now there is absolutely none.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 28 Jul 2014, 01:37

stevecook172001 wrote: Israel will fall, it's just a matter of when.

Well it has fallen more then once before so it certainly might again but I see no reason for your certainty on the issue in your lifetime. They are a nuclear power and any enemy that chose to nuke them would soon find that that was a fatal mistake.
After the six day war the eastern border of Israel was the Jordan river. After the next war it may well be east of Lahore.

tpals · Post by **tpals** » 28 Jul 2014, 02:19

UndercoverElephant wrote:
stevecook172001 wrote:Whether you are representative of your fellow citizens, I do not know. I certainly hope not.
Most of them are considerably worse than him.

The vast majority of Americans don't have a clue about anything going on in the world besides what they hear in soundbites on the news. They aren't taught modern history in school and have never been encouraged to research and learn on their own. Many of them don't even watch the news because it's 'depressing'.

What is known: any politician who has made it far enough to do something has already been bought and nothing an average person can do will ever make a difference so why try? Is it surprising that people are apathetic, ignorant, deep in debt, and tend to over-eating and drinking?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 28 Jul 2014, 16:13

Please help the Irish do the (a) right thing:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eirepalesti ... bb&v=43083

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 28 Jul 2014, 16:24

emordnilap wrote:Please help the Irish do the (a) right thing:

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/eirepalesti ... bb&v=43083

There are no longer 250 Palestinians dead. It's estimated to be over 1,000 now. This f***ing broken world is enough to break your heart.

Petition signed.

another_exlurker · Post by **another_exlurker** » 28 Jul 2014, 21:06

The United States was the only country in the world that voted Wednesday against the United Nations investigating human rights violations in Gaza unleashed by Israel’s military assault.

Of the 47 members of the UN Human Rights Council, 29 nations voted to set up a commission to launch an international, independent inquiry, effectively passing the resolution. Seventeen countries abstained, including Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.

Original article.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 28 Jul 2014, 21:30

another_exlurker wrote:
The United States was the only country in the world that voted Wednesday against the United Nations investigating human rights violations in Gaza unleashed by Israel’s military assault.

Of the 47 members of the UN Human Rights Council, 29 nations voted to set up a commission to launch an international, independent inquiry, effectively passing the resolution. Seventeen countries abstained, including Germany, France, and the United Kingdom.

Original article.

And they wonder why 9/11 happened.

raspberry-blower · Post by **raspberry-blower** » 29 Jul 2014, 10:20

The reasons behind Israel's genocidal incursion into Gaza has fallen apart:

Hamas may not have kidnapped and killed 3 Israeli teens after all

Debunking Israel's 11 main myths about Gaza, Hamas and War Crimes

How Netanyahu lied to get his war on Gaza

From the Moon of Alabama post, the 5th post in the comments section is very pertinent:

JSorrentine wrote:I'll quickly say this again. We as a society are way past the point where whenever "events" seem to take a turn to the advantage of the US/Israelis there can no longer be a moment of hesitation as to searching for where blame lies/how those events came about.

TPTB have perfected the mechanism by which they create a story/event, buy themselves the needed amount of time/cover through the MSM to carry out their crimes and then bury any investigation/interest into said events again with help of their war criminal hand maidens in the MSM.

Each event they pull off I'm sure is reviewed and studied by the perps for faults and unnecessary latencies and then blueprints are modified for the next go around.

These f***ing criminals exploit conscientious people's innate tendencies to want to wait and gather all the facts/evidence before they - the observers of the Spectacle - have time to make an informed opinion but these tendencies are exactly are what they count on to buy themselves the needed time for their war crimes.

When dealing with these two murderous war criminal nations, people have to start inculcating a natural reflexive rejection for any and all official versions that these governments offer in explanation.

Thousands if not millions of innocent lives truly depend upon us not accepting what these people tell us and unfortunately there's much to much precedent to ignore.

With each event they're getting more brazen and more practiced and we can only stop it if a wholesale rejection of the murderous shit they peddle.

Meanwhile, Jonathan Cook is left wondering:

Where's the BBC scoop on Netanyahu's big lie?

Jonathan Cook wrote:Many of us, of course, suspected that Netanyahu was using the abductions as a pretext to destroy the unity government Hamas and Fatah had recently set up after years of conflict. Now we have official confirmation.

I wonder why, given the great scoop he has, Donnison appears only to have tweeted about this. It’s now more than 24 hours since he went public with the information. Is he waiting for another news outlets to beat him to the story? Or is he tweeting it because he knows the BBC isn’t interested in running a story so embarrassing to Israel?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 29 Jul 2014, 11:24

Jon Donnison has a pretty good twitter feed of news from Palestine: @JonDonnison

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 29 Jul 2014, 11:41

raspberry-blower wrote:The reasons behind Israel's genocidal incursion into Gaza has fallen apart:

Hamas may not have kidnapped and killed 3 Israeli teens after all

Debunking Israel's 11 main myths about Gaza, Hamas and War Crimes

I particularly like this one.

Jewish Daily Forward: "Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013." International Crisis Group: "Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings - some of which were implemented spottily at best - so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts."

We are not shooting rockets at you. the ones that are fired every six days or so are fired by "Our little brother that we can't control or be blamed for.
It is like asking a bunch of kids who hit the ball into your window. The answer is always "Not ME' and "I DOnknow".
Ok Who gave your little brother a rocket?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 29 Jul 2014, 14:27

Israel steps up bombardment (presumably in the knowledge that, pretty soon, the international clamour from ordinary people will become sufficiently loud that their governments will be forced to ask Israel to stop. Dead Palestinian count now comes to at least 1,200. God knows how many are life-changingly wounded. Reporters on the ground say it is becoming impossible to estimate the dead due to the number of people under rubble.

http://rt.com/news/176412-gaza-israel-operation-killed/

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 29 Jul 2014, 15:56

Jewish Daily Forward: "Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013." International Crisis Group: "Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings - some of which were implemented spottily at best - so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts."

The point I am trying to point out here is that the statement contradicts itself if you compare to two segments now in bold. Such obvious misrepresentation of the facts in one part of a paper clouds the veracity of the entire document.
If someone is caught lying to you you must assume that anything else he puts forth may also be a lie.

another_exlurker · Post by **another_exlurker** » 29 Jul 2014, 16:22

vtsnowedin wrote:
Jewish Daily Forward: "Hamas hadn't fired a single rocket since [2012 Gaza conflict], and had largely suppressed fire by smaller jihadi groups. Rocket firings, averaging 240 per month in 2007, dropped to five per month in 2013." International Crisis Group: "Fewer rockets were fired from Gaza in 2013 than in any year since 2001, and nearly all those that were fired between the November 2012 ceasefire and the current crisis were launched by groups other than Hamas; the Israeli security establishment testified to the aggressive anti-rocket efforts made by the new police force Hamas established specifically for that purpose.. As Israel (and Egypt) rolled back the 2012 understandings - some of which were implemented spottily at best - so too did Hamas roll back its anti rocket efforts."
The point I am trying to point out here is that the statement contradicts itself if you compare to two segments now in bold. Such obvious misrepresentation of the facts in one part of a paper clouds the veracity of the entire document.
If someone is caught lying to you you must assume that anything else he puts forth may also be a lie.

The statements DO NOT contradict each other, they show that Hamas has been as successful as it can be in policing Gaza to prevent rocket attacks.

YOU are making the ASSUMPTION that the rocket attacks are being made by Hamas as that fits your pre-programmed worldview.

Speaking at an IDF event in Sderot, Edelstein said that Hamas was working to thwart rocket attacks from the Strip.

“Today Hamas and other actors in Gaza are acting to stop the rocket fire. They don’t always succeed, and where they fail, the IDF acts,” the general said."

<snip>

A Salafi official told the newspaper that his group refused to comply with the cease-fire agreement and would continue firing rockets at Israel. The Hamas government arrested Salafi jihadists who claimed responsibility for rocket fire at Israel, the paper reported.

Original article

Are you starting to realise just how ill-informed you are?