of Do The Math
Well worth listening to:
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/201 ... n-podcast/
Chris Martenson Interviews Tom Murphy
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Very nice:
Tom Murphy wrote:if you plot the use of fossil fuels over a very long period of time, say go back 10,000 years in the past, plot 10,000 years in the future, most of that is absolutely devoid of activity on the fossil fuel front. We just have a local blip that only lasts a few hundred years around now
But there's some rather more serious chat goes on there too; here's the transcript if you want to read rather than listen. Either way, it's good stuff and raises some pertinent points. What happens when - if - China is putting 30 million new vehicles on roads per annum (slated for 2020)?He also wrote:But you can’t do 100% of your economy on low energy things, not to mention no energy things.
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Chris Martenson pdcast with Richard Heinberg
There's a transcript of the discussion further down the page.
There's a transcript of the discussion further down the page.
No doubt RGRalph will be hovering.Colin Campbell and Jean Laherrère. So they were saying back before 2003, because it published in 2003, so it was actually written in 2001 and 2002. So they were saying back in 2000 and 2001 that we would see a peak in conventional oil around 2005—check—that that would cause oil prices to bump higher—check—which would cause a slowdown in economic growth—check. But it would also incentivize production of unconventional oil in various forms—check—which would then peak around 2015, which is basically almost where we are right now and all the signs are suggesting that that is going to be a check-off, too. So amazing enough, these two guys got it perfectly correct fifteen years ago.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker