kenneal - lagger wrote:Here's another reason why the US suffers from a, shall we say, lack of respect. The US has a ban on exporting crude oil so that it is protected to a great extent from high oil prices. This gives US firms a trade advantage which, if it were claimed by any other nation would warrant a complaint by the US to the World Trade Organisation. Yet here they are protecting themselves at the expense of others.
Mind you the TTP and the US-EU Trade Agreement could put a stop to this as the oil companies could take the US government to the tribunal staffed by their own lawyers, seconded yes, and claim damages for their lost sales value. Now that would be interesting!! I wonder who would win!!
Now Ken, would you sell something you had produced that you needed in your household if it meant you had to buy replacement for what you sold?
Saudi America is still importing about ten million barrels of crude oil each day and six million of that comes from countries that call us the "Great Satan" We are paying the world "Brent" price for that crude and that pretty much sets the price of motor fuel. The WTI from Cushing Oklahoma is cheaper of course because they don't have to ship it halfway around the world through pirate infested waters.
Your prices are higher because your government taxes the bejeuses out of it and bad as the US government is I'll take mine over yours any day. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_im ... blpd_a.htm
vtsnowedin wrote:
Your prices are higher because your government taxes the bejeuses out of it and bad as the US government is I'll take mine over yours any day.
A policy that allows painless greenhouse gas emissions. (Until they bite you back.)
kenneal - lagger wrote:Mind you the TTP and the US-EU Trade Agreement could put a stop to this
I would be sceptical about that. It will have already been thought of.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
The yanks have a long and experienced history of biasing 'agreements' in their favour, so I have no doubt whatsoever their protectionist measures and colossal subsidies will largely remain in place, derogated, hidden, or blatant while the EU capitulates to US corporate pressure. I might be wrong. The US corporate and political regime may not be hypocrites.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
kenneal - lagger wrote:Here's another reason why the US suffers from a, shall we say, lack of respect. The US has a ban on exporting crude oil so that it is protected to a great extent from high oil prices. This gives US firms a trade advantage which, if it were claimed by any other nation would warrant a complaint by the US to the World Trade Organisation. Yet here they are protecting themselves at the expense of others.
Mind you the TTP and the US-EU Trade Agreement could put a stop to this as the oil companies could take the US government to the tribunal staffed by their own lawyers, seconded yes, and claim damages for their lost sales value. Now that would be interesting!! I wonder who would win!!
Now Ken, would you sell something you had produced that you needed in your household ...
well, if I were short of money and I could do so, I'd cut my own use so that I could sell some and raise income.
I've met hundreds of Americans and every one of them I would welcome into my home. Some have become lifelong friends. vt would no doubt come into the same category.
As always in these discussions, there is the implicit notion of two Americas.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
RenewableCandy wrote:[ well, if I were short of money and I could do so, I'd cut my own use so that I could sell some and raise income.
Always the practical one RC. Also you might sell or even give away garden produce at harvest time if you had an abundance then buy from the store in the late winter and spring. Logistics do effect the spot price of a good.
emordnilap wrote:Oh, and the 'republicans' (!!!!!!) will win the next POTUS election.
I'm backing Jeb Bush for the next POTUS. Any other chancers?
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I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
emordnilap wrote:Oh, and the 'republicans' (!!!!!!) will win the next POTUS election.
I'm backing Jeb Bush for the next POTUS. Any other chancers?
While I think Jeb Bush is capable and far better then the present office holder I disagree with him on more then one issue. More to the point I can't abide the thought of the US presidency becoming a hereditary position or even having it become exclusive to the rich old money class.
emordnilap wrote:Oh, and the 'republicans' (!!!!!!) will win the next POTUS election.
I'm backing Jeb Bush for the next POTUS. Any other chancers?
While I think Jeb Bush is capable and far better then the present office holder I disagree with him on more then one issue. More to the point I can't abide the thought of the US presidency becoming a hereditary position or even having it become exclusive to the rich old money class.
It's not up to you. You'll get what you're given.
Jim Inhofe, anyone?
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
emordnilap wrote:
I'm backing Jeb Bush for the next POTUS. Any other chancers?
While I think Jeb Bush is capable and far better then the present office holder I disagree with him on more then one issue. More to the point I can't abide the thought of the US presidency becoming a hereditary position or even having it become exclusive to the rich old money class.
It's not up to you. You'll get what you're given.
Jim Inhofe, anyone?
Not a chance. He is eighty years old and on the extreme right.
Perhaps Scott Walker?
