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Australia broke yet another heatwave record this week while thousands of people suffered from electricity blackouts
In nearby South Australia, the state capital Adelaide became the hottest city on earth, with temperatures in Roseworthy exceeding 46°C. (That's over 114.8°F if you don't follow Celsius.)
And ("Only in Australia")
It became so hot that the Australian Open tennis competition had play stopped after players collapsed and hallucinated cartoon characters.
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I post ed on a grauniad comment page that this was chickens coming home to roost for the aussies given their high co2 emissions and coal exports. The comment was removed.
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It was 42 degrees C here today and 17C early in the morning. Late evenings are hot as I don't put the air conditioning on when the solar doesn't generate. Eventually I hope to have my house totally 'passiv'.

House insulation is going well and the garden is thriving with a lot of watering. A worrying lack of rain in what should be one of rainiest months. I am experimenting with different types of insulation and shade sails and window shades.

The coal trains keep on rumbling by. People are still not making the connection. I can't understand why solar is not more widespread. I can heat all my water for all except 20 days a year and generate 20 - 30 kWh per day on most days. Use plentiful biomass for the cloudy cold days. Biomass which would otherwise burn in bushfires anyway. Sadly a total lack of will on a national scale.
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BritDownUnder wrote:It was 42 degrees C here today and 17C early in the morning. Late evenings are hot as I don't put the air conditioning on when the solar doesn't generate. Eventually I hope to have my house totally 'passiv'.

House insulation is going well and the garden is thriving with a lot of watering. A worrying lack of rain in what should be one of rainiest months. I am experimenting with different types of insulation and shade sails and window shades.

The coal trains keep on rumbling by. People are still not making the connection. I can't understand why solar is not more widespread. I can heat all my water for all except 20 days a year and generate 20 - 30 kWh per day on most days. Use plentiful biomass for the cloudy cold days. Biomass which would otherwise burn in bushfires anyway. Sadly a total lack of will on a national scale.
Do you have scope for water retention and storage?
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peaceful_life wrote: Do you have scope for water retention and storage?
Yes I have a 4500 litre and 3000 litre tanks collecting water from the roof.

Both are near empty now due to my having used a lot for watering in the expectation of rain that never arrived. I shall have to invest in drip irrigation to reduce water usage.
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BritDownUnder wrote:
peaceful_life wrote: Do you have scope for water retention and storage?
Yes I have a 4500 litre and 3000 litre tanks collecting water from the roof.

Both are near empty now due to my having used a lot for watering in the expectation of rain that never arrived. I shall have to invest in drip irrigation to reduce water usage.
Yeah, with plenty of mulch.
Maybe some swales with planted shade, do you have a lot of land?
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PS_RalphW wrote:I post ed on a grauniad comment page that this was chickens coming home to roost for the aussies given their high co2 emissions and coal exports. The comment was removed.
That seems a bit odd. What precisely did you say that they could object to?
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I can only assume it was the chicken comment. A reply to my comment said that in fact it was chickens coming home to roast, which could be seen in bad taste, but it wasn't mine. Since there is no way to identify why a comment has been removed, or appeal the removal, I put in a comment asking why. It was removed without even leaving the 'a comment has been removed' tag.

I guess they wanted to avoid the usual flame war, as the page was in their Australian section, and they do not want to be seen as supporting whining pommies.
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Even odder, really.
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peaceful_life wrote:
Yeah, with plenty of mulch.
Maybe some swales with planted shade, do you have a lot of land?
I guess you know all this?
I don't have a lot of land. I am located in the a small town so my land area is about 550 sq mtrs. Mulch is something I need to do some more work on in the future.

I find the Australian version of the Guardian a bit of a one issue website continually talking about asylum seekers and not the broader issues.
There is some progress though. Electricity demand has been falling for five years now due to rooftop solar. http://www.ata.org.au/news/renewable-en ... ure-change

Going back to the weather you can see what the weather is by looking at this link http://www.weatherzone.com.au/nsw/hunter/singleton.
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BDU, Aussie houses are normally very lightweight, being timber framed and built for a tropical climate. If you've got solar powered aircon you could benefit from some thermal mass to carry you over the evenings until the outside air temperature cools down. If you're getting temperatures of 17C at some time during the night you can use night time cooling of thermal mass combined with insulation and air tightness to keep the house cool during the day. The shorter the period of cool temperatures the more forced air movement would be required to cool the thermal mass.

A fan used to move cool air through the house would use less electricity than an aircon unit so, with a combination of thermal mass and fans you could keep the house cool during the day and use significantly less solar electricity during the day. Some of that electricity could be used to charge batteries to run the fans at night and the rest exported for sale.
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kenneal - lagger wrote:BDU, Aussie houses are normally very lightweight, being timber framed and built for a tropical climate. If you've got solar powered aircon you could benefit from some thermal mass to carry you over the evenings until the outside air temperature cools down. If you're getting temperatures of 17C at some time during the night you can use night time cooling of thermal mass combined with insulation and air tightness to keep the house cool during the day. The shorter the period of cool temperatures the more forced air movement would be required to cool the thermal mass.

A fan used to move cool air through the house would use less electricity than an aircon unit so, with a combination of thermal mass and fans you could keep the house cool during the day and use significantly less solar electricity during the day. Some of that electricity could be used to charge batteries to run the fans at night and the rest exported for sale.
Right on all counts. The house is timber, one storey and low thermal mass. It is raised in brick piers about 70cm above ground level and the bare earth underneath stays reasonably cold even on the hottest days.

I am experimenting with fans at night but the best strategy seems to be...
1) Insulate the roof and paint the sheet metal white instead of the dark green it is now.
2) Shut all the doors and windows and shade them during the day and have the air conditioning on powered by solar.
3) At about 8-30pm the temperature outside has begun to fall below the house level, currently high 20s C even after airconditioning. Open doors and turn on fans to eject warm air from the house and bring in cold air from outside.
4) I am looking at getting a reinforced screen door (security rated ) that can be left locked with the main wooden door open so that air from outside may circulate passively and leave via the open loft space access.

At the moment I am only fully doing 2) and 3) as I have only had some of the roofspace insulated above the bedroom where the air con is located. I have three air cons but only use one as the other two are old and inefficient. The newer one has the heat exchanger taking air out from under the house where the temperature is somewhat moderated. It is a Daikin 1hp unit and consumes about 700watts on full power cooling the main part of the house with a small 'desk' fan assisting moving the air through the doorway out the bedroom. At night just cooling the bedroom with the door closed maintaining 26C it consumes about 120 watts on average. A COP of 4.44 is claimed for this unit which is a reverse cycle inverter unit.
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Sounds like you could do with insulation in the walls and possibly more in the roof. You could install a pipe under the ground under the house and draw your day time ventilation air through this pipe, using a solar powered fan, so that you would be drawing cooled air into the house during the day.

With the right amount of insulation, ground cooled ventilation, thermal mass and night time ventilation you could do without the aircon and save yourself an awful lot of energy and cost.
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Good plan. As mitigation fails and we move to adaptation, ideas like this are going to be needed.
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Apparently the Aussie grid is now facing an interesting but of "positive feedback" as more people go solar.
The nation's electricity system faces a "death spiral" that could drive up prices even further and leave States, particularly WA, facing huge bills that may have to be paid by taxpayers.

The independent Grattan Institute think tank, in a report to be released today, says even though power demand across the country is falling, prices are going up as infrastructure companies scramble to protect their bottom lines.

And it warns that the advent of wide-scale solar rooftop systems, a key element of the Federal Government's direct action policy, is exacerbating the situation.

The institute found electricity consumption across the country has fallen since 2009.

Despite the overall fall in consumption, prices have rocketed - on average by 85 per cent or more than $700 a year.
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