the frack thread

Ralph · Post by **Ralph** » 13 Jan 2014, 01:35

Shortfall wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25695813

French oil giant Total to invest in UK shale gas

If Britain can extract 10% of its estimated gas reserves, it could supply the entire country for 50 years, our correspondent said.

In August, Prime Minister David Cameron said the whole country should support fracking, insisting it is safe if properly regulated and could create thousands of jobs and reduce energy bills.

Sounds like folks are thinking about gettin' cracking!

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 13 Jan 2014, 03:43

They always add the provision "if properly regulated" to the fracking is safe argument. What have we been able to "properly regulate" in the past twenty or more years? On that basis we should assume that fracking will not be safe and should be avoided, especially as our rock strata are heavily fissured, unlike US shale rocks.

It could create thousands of jobs in the water treatment industry and the water bottling industry. What good will that be to the UK's economy?

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 13 Jan 2014, 09:17

One would hope that "properly regulated" includes the capture and storage of the CO2 emitted when burning said gas. Unlikely though.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 13 Jan 2014, 09:35

Meanwhile...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25705550

Cameron promises councils "fracking" tax boost

Councils that back "fracking" will get to keep more money in tax revenue as part of an "all-out" drive to promote drilling, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.

This a few days after David Cameron stated that the recent turbulent weather in the UK was "probably linked to climate change".

Murf · Post by **Murf** » 13 Jan 2014, 09:40

http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/01/10 ... y-schools/

That article wrote: “Rocking in Ohio,” a pro-fracking educational program sponsored by Radio Disney and Ohio’s oil and gas industry (through the Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program), just did a 26-stop tour of elementary schools and science centers across Ohio.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Jan 2014, 10:47

Tarrel wrote:Meanwhile...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25705550

Cameron promises councils "fracking" tax boost

Councils that back "fracking" will get to keep more money in tax revenue as part of an "all-out" drive to promote drilling, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
This a few days after David Cameron stated that the recent turbulent weather in the UK was "probably linked to climate change".

Until very recently I believed, erroneously, that Business Rates were like Council Tax, only, for businesses, and that as such they went to the local Council anyway. I wonder how many other people thought the same until this announcement came out? I wonder what effect this new knowledge will have??

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 13 Jan 2014, 11:11

Murf wrote:http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/01/10 ... y-schools/

That article wrote: “Rocking in Ohio,” a pro-fracking educational program sponsored by Radio Disney and Ohio’s oil and gas industry (through the Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program), just did a 26-stop tour of elementary schools and science centers across Ohio.

And then folks wonder why home-schooling is becoming so popular.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Jan 2014, 11:19

That might explain this.

German home-school families face US deportation

The Reinhold family moved to the US to continue home schooling

Uwe and Hanalore Romeike want to educate their seven children at home, rather than in the school system.

But in Germany where they come from originally, home schooling is illegal.

You'd have thought the USA would jump at the chance to import large, godfearing (white, if that kind o'thing's to your taste) and apparently hardworking bunches of kids with devoted parents, wouldn't you?

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 13 Jan 2014, 11:29

Interesting. It's suprising how many countries ban home-schooling. I had no idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeschool ... statistics

(Sorry for taking the thread off-topic).

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Jan 2014, 11:48

I love the summary for Spain:

Neither legal nor illegal, as Constitution recognises freedom of education, but national education law stipulates that compulsive education must be met through school attendance.

I suppose they'll sort it out manana

It's sad about schools in the USA: a lot of commercial material finds its way in via "sponsorship" of school equipment and the like. What this teaches kids about (for example) food, is truly awful. It's all gone downhill since I was there, when the only bit of "propaganda" we had to deal with was the little ditty beginning "I pledge..." and ending "and dusters for all"

Murf · Post by **Murf** » 13 Jan 2014, 14:38

Apologies if these have already been posted, but please sign and share if you don't support fracking:

http://my.greenparty.org.uk/civicrm/petition/sign?sid=3

https://secure.greenpeace.org.uk/page/s/frack-free-uk

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/ ... y-fracking

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Jan 2014, 20:32

Blimey.... It's all happening in Lincolnshire today.

(And just when we've had six days without the Internet. Thankyou BT.)

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 13 Jan 2014, 20:40

I know of a case where the children were supposedly being home schooled by their mother. When a divorce came to pass the children came into the public (American usage) school only to find that the ten and twelve year old students could not read even at the second grade level. This is nothing less then child abuse and sufficient monitoring needs to be in place to insure children are not robbed of their future due to the foibles of their parents.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Jan 2014, 21:56

In the UK there are checks on all this: you have to show inspectors, at the top of the year, what you're going to teach. And then at the end of the year there's some kind of check that you'e actually done it. It does seem to work: I know someone who did it.

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 13 Jan 2014, 22:28

Checks come too late for somed kids. My kids were fostered in a home (before we adopted) which had two sisters rescued from a 'professional' couple who brought them up like dogs. With dogs. By age five they ate food of the floor, shared with the animals, hadn't learnt to speak at all. Now they are eighteen, one has a chance of some degree of independence, the other will need an institutional home for life. She is scary.