flood watch

[peaceful_life]

Indeed - but some of the cereal farmers round my way are very rich!

Sure and I think the NFU only represent 18% of UK farmers, granted...the largest and wealthiest 18%, let's be mindful of generalisations.

[vtsnowedin]

['The U.S. has 36 million acres of lawn and 35 million acres housing and feeding recreational horses. That's 71 million acres, which is enough to feed the entire country without a single farm or ranch'

Are you suggesting that, Sepp Holzer, isn't up to scratch with erosion and water management?

Oh he might be up on it but he is not going to beat a dry land wheat farmer in Kansas at it.
71 million acres of lawns and horse pasture? Well you have to do something with it and we have 938 million acres of farmland for the farmers to tend to.

[woodburner]

Why do you have to do something with 71 million acres? You could leave it alone and allow the otherwise displaced and/or persecuted species some living space.

[peaceful_life]

['The U.S. has 36 million acres of lawn and 35 million acres housing and feeding recreational horses. That's 71 million acres, which is enough to feed the entire country without a single farm or ranch'

Are you suggesting that, Sepp Holzer, isn't up to scratch with erosion and water management?

Oh he might be up on it but he is not going to beat a dry land wheat farmer in Kansas at it.
71 million acres of lawns and horse pasture? Well you have to do something with it and we have 938 million acres of farmland for the farmers to tend to.

I think he already has, as has, Geoff lawton, in the Jordan valley...
http://permaculturenews.org/2013/12/10/ ... nsultancy/

PA Yeomans, had the nut cracked years ago.
http://www.yeomansplow.com.au/p-a-yeomans.htm
http://permaculturenews.org/2012/06/30/ ... ine-scale/

The method can handle the scale.
Perahps it's not correct to be growing that amount of wheat in the manner it's being grown, or that amount at all, either way...the land is being tended in the wrong way and it's clearly demonstrable what can be done with it, all of it.

[peaceful_life]

Why do you have to do something with 71 million acres? You could leave it alone and allow the otherwise displaced and/or persecuted species some living space.

Great point and there are methods of being productive whilst encouraging an increase in biodiversity, indeed...the methods require it and yes...it would give breathing space to allow swathes of land to totally rewild also.

[vtsnowedin]

8)Here is a bit of what your up against.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVktzvCF50
And the harvest later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRM1yahPVw

[peaceful_life]

8)Here is a bit of what your up against.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVVktzvCF50
And the harvest later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGRM1yahPVw

Nahh.....all of that is up against the laws of physics, climatic governance and certain degradation that will kill us all, it's just a temporary thing with the vroom vroom toys and market systems of scale, it either changes to suit the facts or the fact will change it.

Still got be thankful for small mercies and appreciate the fact that some never bought into it and can now present us with demonstrable equilibrium, nice of them eh?

Am I naive enough to think the industry will change through choice?...certainly not.

Anyhooo...grab yerself a copy of 'water for every farm' by PA Yeomans.

[woodburner]

Hmm, and isn't the crop used for high fructose corn syrup, and consequently turn a large proportion into Michelin men?

Better use the land for wildlife if that's the case.

[vtsnowedin]

Hmm, and isn't the crop used for high fructose corn syrup, and consequently turn a large proportion into Michelin men?

Better use the land for wildlife if that's the case.

They have found more then 4000 uses for corn. They range from chicken feed to plastics but my favorite is Bourbon whiskey.

[peaceful_life]

Hmm, and isn't the crop used for high fructose corn syrup, and consequently turn a large proportion into Michelin men?

Better use the land for wildlife if that's the case.

They have found more then 4000 uses for corn. They range from chicken feed to plastics but my favorite is Bourbon whiskey.

Excellent, so at least you can use one to numb out the other 3,999+ then, happy daze.

[RenewableCandy]

Wheat is over-rated.

[peaceful_life]

Wheat is over-rated.

Not if you've got shares in over 4000 products and ecologically illiterate, it's a great gig.

[vtsnowedin]

Wheat is over-rated.

Not if you've got shares in over 4000 products and ecologically illiterate, it's a great gig.

If you’re suggesting that I'm a paid shill for the corporate big Ag or corn industry you have it dead wrong. As to the ecological illiteracy jab, not jumping feet first into the permaculture religion is not evidence of illiteracy.
Understanding that the human population is in overshoot and will crash shows that I comprehend the ecology of the planet quite well don't you think?

[vtsnowedin]

Wheat is over-rated.

That is a corn (maze) planter
Give us this day our daily bread.

[peaceful_life]

Wheat is over-rated.

Not if you've got shares in over 4000 products and ecologically illiterate, it's a great gig.

If you’re suggesting that I'm a paid shill for the corporate big Ag or corn industry you have it dead wrong. As to the ecological illiteracy jab, not jumping feet first into the permaculture religion is not evidence of illiteracy.
Understanding that the human population is in overshoot and will crash shows that I comprehend the ecology of the planet quite well don't you think?

Now ya see, ya should of just stopped at the 'if' bit, because from there on in it's pure assumption.

I'm just putting forward some demonstrable facts that happen to refute a lot of what you've written. If you want to describe these methods that work in a pejorative manner and whittle things down to a simplistic dilemma of numbers I think you'd be missing bigger points.