the frack thread

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 27 Nov 2013, 19:16

The proposal follows a persistent campaign by industry lobby groups and law firms to empower large companies to challenge regulations both at home and abroad if they affect their profits.

It's a good job someone is thinking of the hard done by corporates.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 13 Dec 2013, 12:05

By gum.

"It just isn't true that fracking is going to destroy the environment and the world is going to come to an end if you frack," he said.

"And yet to listen to some people on the green end, that's what they say."

Which scientists is he referring to?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2013, 12:41

On his twitter page he calls himself
John Deben @lorddeben Climate Change champion.

Too many mad beef burgers addled his mind if he can't see that fracking leads to more greenhouse gas emissions.

(Formally John Gummer)

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2013, 12:55

Oh, and I notice a case of conflicted interests:

Pippa Bartalotti wrote:Lord Deben aka John Gummer who just happens to be the brother of Lord Chadlingtone aka Peter Gummer the CEO and chairman of the Huntsworth Group, David Cameron’s next door neighbour and Chairman of his constituency party.

The Huntsworth Group is a major lobbyist for the gas and oil industry with clients such as British Gas.

Lord Deben is also chairman of Sancroft International whose client list includes Argent Energy, BP, Serco, Veolia Environment and Veolia Water

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 13 Dec 2013, 13:10

biffvernon wrote:On his twitter page he calls himself
John Deben @lorddeben Climate Change champion.

His description is highly accurate, then.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2013, 13:18

A little conversation I just had:

Biff Vernon ‏@transitionlouth 40m
@lorddeben @KeithAllott @theCCCuk BBC News says you support fracking. Increased CO2 emissions inevitable result http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25327695 …
John Deben ‏@lorddeben 7m
@transitionlouth @KeithAllott @theCCCuk If environmentally regulated UK fracked gas is used to replace imported gas it makes sense
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Biff Vernon ‏@transitionlouth 1m
@lorddeben @KeithAllott @theCCCuk No sense in searching for more fossil carbon when 80% of what's already found must not be burnt.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 13 Dec 2013, 14:23

But what about jobs? What about growth? What about corporate profits?

Great, Biff. Keep us posted.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2013, 17:13

John Deben@lorddeben
@transitionlouth @KeithAllott @theCCCuk If we find fuel to substitute for imports avoiding dependence on unpleasant regimes that makes sense

Biff Vernon ‏@transitionlouth
@lorddeben @KeithAllott @theCCCuk You think the climate cares whether a regime is unpleasant? No more carbon fuels is existential priority

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 13 Dec 2013, 17:30

Better than Wimbledon.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Dec 2013, 20:26

How can two brothers both be Lords?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Dec 2013, 20:33

Neither of them are proper Lords, they just got turned into Lords because the were friends of the PM. New money. Pah.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 13 Dec 2013, 20:37

Oh right.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Dec 2013, 07:58

Next episode shows Lord Deben just doesn't get it.

John Deben ‏@lorddeben
@transitionlouth @KeithAllott @theCCCuk Not talking additional gas but substituting our own for Mr Putin's. Climate effect probably less.

Biff Vernon
‏@transitionlouth
@lorddeben @KeithAllott @theCCCuk It is additional. Russian gas will still be produced. Fundamental error. Supply must be cut not increased.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 15 Dec 2013, 08:31

I summed the story up at
http://biffvernon.blogspot.co.uk/

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 15 Dec 2013, 09:13

Yummy, yummy, loads o' money...........

Lancashire mills and factories were the heart of British industry. Its collieries burned day and night, helping Britain build the richest and most powerful Empire in history.

It was a golden period of prosperity. And Lancashire was at its core...

But what rich industrialists back then didn't realise was that under those mills and factories lay a fuel source more valuable than the whole Empire put together...

An energy reserve that geologists believe is bigger than the Texan oil lands...

The gasfields of Russia...

Bigger even than the oil rich deserts of Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates put together.

In fact, until this summer... no one knew just how big it was.

It wasn't until June 2013, that scientists from the British Geological Society confirmed the startling discovery. According to their findings, a vast reserve of energy – the biggest of its kind in the Western hemisphere – has lain under Lancashire for centuries.

It could be worth a lot of money – anything between £1 trillion and £9.5 trillion.

Is it true?