Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

What can we do to change the minds of decision makers and people in general to actually do something about preparing for the forthcoming economic/energy crises (the ones after this one!)?

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I don't think he's 'clear on the concept' of "waste" :D
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In Industrial Society, honking the car horn is considered uncivilized behaviour.

Torturing whales and dolphins to death with Navy Sonars is civilized behaviour.
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When people spit on the streets it is uncivilized behaviour.

When industries spit billions of tonnes of liquid waste into rivers and oceans it is progress, growth, development.
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Keeping the house dirty is considered uncivilized behaviour.

Littering the entire planet with billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste is called progress, growth, development.

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sushil_yadav wrote:In Industrial Society, honking the car horn is considered uncivilized behaviour.
You missed a trick here SY: having and driving a car in itself is not. As it stands a certain amount of car usage seems inevitable, but minimise it and a lot of our problems would disappear. Never mind torturing whales with sonar (though I presume this is not an issue to be overlooked): you have got rid of the thing that injures and kills huge volumes of people and wildlife, contributes in some meaningful way to global warming, and requires vast amounts of road-building which destroys natural environments.
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Man has tortured, slaughtered and decimated millions of other species......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has decimated forests of the world ......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has littered the entire planet with billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has decimated fish in the oceans......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has made the oceans acidic and warmer and has created oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has poisoned the planet for the next thousands of years with thousands of tonnes of highly Radioactive Nuclear Waste......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has killed billions of acres of Fertile Soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has destroyed billions of acres of Agricultural Top Soil with millions of tonnes of Insecticides, Pesticides and Fertilizers......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has destroyed mountains, rivers and lakes......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has made the weather extreme, irregular and unpredictable with Industrial Activity......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Man has destroyed the entire planet......And people are still working for Human Welfare.

Human Welfare.....More Human Welfare......More and More Human Welfare.

I am sick of hearing about human welfare.

This planet is home to millions of species, not just man alone.

This planet is not the private property of man who can do whatever he wants.

This world would have been perfect without man.

Why was the human race created on earth???

If I had access to a button which could kill all industrialized humans, I would press it right now.
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For God's sake forget human welfare and think about the welfare of the planet.

Welfare of nature is millions of times more important than human welfare.

Man will not even exist on earth without nature.
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Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

Agrarian society was the limit for man on earth.

Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.
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If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Man has destroyed the entire planet......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.
A bit pointless if there's no planet.
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Endless hair splitting.

Man has destroyed the entire planet ......This means man has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

Some people are more concerned about language than the issue.

Are we taking a literature or grammar class here???

When someone says "You have destroyed me" does he mean to say "You have killed/ murdered me???"

What is meant here is ....You have ruined my life.

Destroyed doesn't always refer to "Total Destruction".....It can also refer to partial or substantial destruction.

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Thank you for your reply SY, but you endlessly go on about the problem as you see it and offer solutions such as pressing the button to kill all industrialised humans. Much as I agree with looking after the planet first, it seems it is not in the nature of any particular species to think of anything but the immediate future.

I admit to being picky over words, but there is time when writing on a forum to use the words that describe the problem, and suggest solutions. Phrases such as "destroy the planet" and "save the planet" do not help in getting support for a cause, as they are meaningless IMO.

Writing less is often more effective in getting support, than writing huge posts.
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sushil_yadav wrote:.

Man has tortured, slaughtered and decimated millions of other species......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has decimated forests of the world ......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has littered the entire planet with billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has decimated fish in the oceans......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has made the oceans acidic and warmer and has created oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has poisoned the planet for the next thousands of years with thousands of tonnes of highly Radioactive Nuclear Waste......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has killed billions of acres of Fertile Soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has destroyed billions of acres of Agricultural Top Soil with millions of tonnes of Insecticides, Pesticides and Fertilizers......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has destroyed mountains, rivers and lakes......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has made the weather extreme, irregular and unpredictable with Industrial Activity......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Man has destroyed the entire planet......And people still want to work for Human Welfare.

Human Welfare.....More Human Welfare......More and More Human Welfare.

I am sick of hearing about human welfare.

This world would have been perfect without man.

Why was the human race created on earth???

If I had access to a button which could kill all industrialized humans, I would press it right now.
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For God's sake forget human welfare and think about the welfare of the planet.

Welfare of nature is millions of times more important than human welfare.

Man will not even exist on earth without nature.
You cannot separate the two. Humans have just as much right as anything else to inhabit this planet. You cannot deny that right by pushing a hypothetical button and killing millions, indeed billions of people. You will become just as bad as the system. What I would like to see is an approach that tackles both, not either/or. Especially since humanity is dependent upon the wider ecosystem- so, protecting the ecosystem is protecting human welfare.

To question why humanity was put on this earth is to question the God whose name you appear to be taking in vain. Humanity has indeed screwed up both for ourselves and the world we live in, but I am a firm believer that God has not given up on us in spite of that, giving us a chance at repentance.
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America, which has bullied the world throughout the Industrial Era is going to fool the world even in the last stages of human existence on earth.

America is only paying the interest on its debt [Actually it is struggling to even pay that].

It is mathematically impossible for America to pay off 16 Trillion Dollars of debt.

It would take America hundreds of thousands of years to pay off the debt, provided it takes no new debt and cuts down almost all of its expenditure.

People and countries are fools to believe that America is going to pay off its debt in future.

There is no future left for the human species.

Human future is not going to last more than a few years/ decades.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.

100 years of Industrial Activity has already decimated millions of other species.....Man is going to get decimated/ wiped out within the next few years.

More than 99% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

Most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems have already been destroyed.

Species are not lost when they become extinct....Species are lost when they get decimated....Species were lost when their populations dropped from billions and millions before industrialization to thousands and hundreds after industrialization.

There are(were) millions of species in this world....Most of them have already been decimated because Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests....Millions of Plant and Animal species have been decimated by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports..

If we calculate the decline in populations of millions of species after industrialization the combined loss will come to more than 99%.

Millions of other species have been decimated.....Forests have been decimated.....Fish in the oceans have been decimated.....Trillions of Farm Animals have been butchered in Industrial Slaughter Houses.....Oceans have been made acidic and warmer......There are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans.....Rivers, Oceans, Land and Atmosphere have been poisoned by billions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste......The entire planet is littered with billions of tonnes of Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Metal Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear waste......Millions of animals, birds and fish have died from ingesting plastic.....Billions of acres of agricultural land has been poisoned by millions of tonnes of Insecticides, Pesticides and Fertilizers.... Billions of acres of Fertile Soil has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.....Weather has become extreme, irregular and unpredictable.....Wind speed has reduced by 50% in the last 50 years.....Glaciers have melted, Arctic Ice has melted.....Thousands of tonnes of Nuclear Material and Waste will keep poisoning the planet with radioactivity for the next thousands of years.

Human future is not going to last more than a few years/ decades.

America is going to make an exit from this world, paying only the interest on the money it borrowed and never paying the principal amount.

The important issue here is not money......money is paper and plastic.....The important issue is the huge amount of environment that was destroyed by America with its consumerism that was sustained by borrowed money......Huge amounts of environment was destroyed to produce thousands of consumer goods and services bought by America with borrowed money which it is never going to pay back.
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America calls itself the Champion of Justice in this world.

A nation which carried out the genocide of Native Americans calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation which has existed on occupied territory for centuries calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation which has confined the Real Owners of America to Reserves and Resettlement Colonies calls itself the Champion of Justice

A nation with 5% of world population consuming 25 - 40% of world resources calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation with Trillions of Dollars of Debt calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation with $50,000 debt on every citizen calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation living life King Size with borrowed money calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation eating and drinking to excess with borrowed money calls itself the Champion of Justice..

A nation, Half to two-thirds of whose population has grown fat with borrowed money calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation which has been attacking other countries and funding wars with borrowed money calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation which is the biggest exporter of Decadent Culture in the world calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation which is the biggest bully and terrorist in the world calls itself the Champion of Justice.

A nation which is the biggest Arms Exporter in the world, whose weapons are fuelling war and violence all over the world calls itself the Champion of Justice.
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Monetary System of Industrial Society is a totally deceptive system through which Urban Population is fooling rest of the world about the importance of Urban Work.

Money is worthless.....All currencies of the world are worthless.

Millions of Banks are frauds....IMF is a fraud.....World Bank is a fraud.

For 100 years Urban Population has fooled rest of the world about the importance of Urban Work.

For 100 years Urban Population has fooled rest of the world with Terminologies.....Progress, Growth, Development.

For 100 years Urban Population has fooled rest of the world with Figures.....Growth Rate, Economy Rate, GDP.
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If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Jobs, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP.
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Progress, Growth, Development.

This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP.

These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.
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Urban Work has destroyed environment.

Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Insanity, abnormality and criminality is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

Unnecessary and destructive work is directly proportional to percentage of urban population.

In America 95% of population is urban.....That is why America is the mother of all extra, unnecessary and destructive work in this world....That is why consumerism is so rampant in America.....5% of world population consuming 25 - 40% of world resources.

In Europe 80 - 90% of population is urban.....That is why Europe is highly consumerist and destructive too.

In China and India, consumerism and destruction of environment have risen drastically with increase in urban population.
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Human Species is totally redundant on earth.

Within the human species, the Urban Population is totally redundant.

Urban Jobs are totally redundant and destructive.

Urban Professions are totally redundant and destructive.

Urban Work has destroyed the environment.

Urban Work must stop immediately.

Give free food to the Urban Population, but for God's sake stop Urban Work (A fraction of world population is already producing food for entire population).
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As usual Sushil, I can't disagree with much of what you say. OK, lets be more positive, you cut through the tripe of modern society and speak a lot of truth. Truth that many will find too hard to handle.

But where you are losing your argument is in the solution.

We will never implement a solution based on the extermination of the urban dwellers/society - as you well know!

Start to come up with some sensible (but acceptably radical) way of moving forward and I for one will be all ears and likely to support you. :)

Thanks for your straight talking, even if some folk find it hard to put up with.
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snow hope wrote:............. even if some folk find it hard to put up with.
I don't find it hard to put up with I just find it tedious and hectoring in style. Maybe it's a cultural thing; an Indian way of communication that me, as a mere Englishman, finds difficult.

I don't think the human species is any more redundant than any other species. Although we are destroying all around us we are still part of nature - something that we have forgotten at our peril - and nature will eventually come to get us if we don't curb our population growth ourselves. Indeed we need to reduce that population to become more balanced with our environment.

That reduction can occur quite quickly if we adopt a one or even two child policy through the education of women in the main but in some cultures, where women are second class citizens, men as well. Places like Europe and Japan have seen reductions in the indigenous population which have worried governments addicted to growth. They have encouraged immigration to compensate for lack of indigenous population growth in order to keep economic growth going.
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snow hope wrote:As usual Sushil, I can't disagree with much of what you say. OK, lets be more positive, you cut through the tripe of modern society and speak a lot of truth. Truth that many will find too hard to handle.

But where you are losing your argument is in the solution.

We will never implement a solution based on the extermination of the urban dwellers/society - as you well know!

Start to come up with some sensible (but acceptably radical) way of moving forward and I for one will be all ears and likely to support you. :)

Thanks for your straight talking, even if some folk find it hard to put up with.
snow hope,


Thanks for your post.

When a sick person goes to a doctor, he first tries to identify the virus that is responsible for sickness and then gives medicine to kill that particular virus.

If the doctor gives medicine to kill some other virus, it is not going to save the person.

There is only one solution for saving environment....There are no other options and alternatives for saving environment.

The cause of environmental destruction is already known, the solution is elimination of the cause.

Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity run by urban population and the only way to save it is by immediate stopping of Industrial Activity run by urban population (for production of thousands of consumer goods at least).

A person has been drinking heavily for decades and his liver is almost totally damaged.....How much more drinking is advisable to him???

A person has been smoking heavily for decades and his lungs are about to collapse.....How much more smoking is advisable to him???

A person is being stabbed repeatedly and is on the verge of dying.....How much more stabbing can he take???

A person is being shot repeatedly and is on the verge of dying.....How much more shooting can he take???
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Hundred years of relentless Industrial Activity has already destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

There is hardly anything left.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.

Industrial Activity must stop immediately.
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If Industrial Activity is not stopped then humans are going to get decimated/ wiped out within the next few years.

Millions of other species have already been decimated.

Only humans are yet to get decimated.

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sushil_yadav wrote:Industrial Activity must stop immediately.
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If Industrial Activity is not stopped then humans are going to get decimated/ wiped out within the next few years.

Millions of other species have already been decimated.

Only humans are yet to get decimated.

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If thee's no alternative, then humans ae going to get decimated. Ho hum......
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woodburner wrote:
sushil_yadav wrote:Industrial Activity must stop immediately.
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If Industrial Activity is not stopped then humans are going to get decimated/ wiped out within the next few years.

Millions of other species have already been decimated.

Only humans are yet to get decimated.

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If thee's no alternative, then humans ae going to get decimated. Ho hum......
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sushil_yadav wrote: Hundred years of relentless Industrial Activity has already destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

There is hardly anything left.

The planet is dying and gasping for last breath.

Industrial Activity must stop immediately.
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If Industrial Activity is not stopped then humans are going to get decimated/ wiped out within the next few years.

Millions of other species have already been decimated.

Only humans are yet to get decimated.

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Ok, well lets delve into this in a bit more detail......
You say the planet is dying and gasping for last breath - I think that is an exaggeration. The planet is not dying. We are growing enough food on the planet for 7 billion people. A dying planet could not do that. Yes, there are many major issues with the way we are growing food and what we are doing to the natural world, but there are still ecosystems alive and many plant, tree, insect, fish and animal species alive today. Yes, we humans have destroyed many, but our agrarian forefathers wiped out many large animal species thousands of years ago too.

Why do you think humans are going to get wiped out in the next few years. Surely this is an extreme view? What proof or evidence or suppositions do you have to make such a statement? I presume it is more than simply your distaste for what humanity is doing to the planet?
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