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woodburner wrote:
Robins wrote: ........ this website of like minded people.
:?
As in I would presume everybody on this forum has an interest in peak oil.
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Welcome Robins. As you'll see, we discuss a lot more than Peak Oil on here. PO is just one of the converging issues facing us all at the moment, including climate change, unsustainable debt levels, population overshoot, etc.

Maybe what WB was getting at is that you'll encounter some "healthy debate" on this forum. Not everyone sees eye to eye on the issues or their causes or possible solutions (if any). Having said that, the debate is usually very well informed, and I have learned a heck of a lot.
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Robins wrote:
As in I would presume everybody on this forum has an interest in peak oil.
Yes, I believe that's correct. It was a bit more fun when there were a lot of people denying that peak oil was even possible, but that doesn't seem to happen now, disagreements tend to be on technicalities and politics.

What made you begin reading about the topic?
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Robins wrote:Hello everyone,

I have had a growing interest in peak oil for some time now, and thought I would join this website of like minded people. I began reading about the topic, and I suppose that is where my interest has come from.

I am not an expert in the field but am looking to learn, not only about the impact it is having on our world, but also any more changes I can make to the way I live.

Cheers.
Welcome Robins.

Peak oil is not a worry; peak conventional oil extraction occurred almost a decade ago. It's the response of capital since then, in extracting dirtier, more extreme forms of fossil fuels to make up the shortfall that's the problem.

That said, climate disruption is the real worry. It's happening now and is getting worse. A sensible species would have stopped burning fossil fuels years ago but unfortunately, like the composition of this board, this species is not 'like-minded'.
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Peak oil is not a worry; peak conventional oil extraction occurred some years ago. It's the response of capital since then, in extracting dirtier, more extreme forms of fossil fuels to make up the shortfall that's the problem.
Yes. Richard Heinberg was interviewed on the Kunstler Cast recently. Kunstler asked him (in a "devil's advocate" kind of way) if the Shale Oil revolution had taken the wind out of Peak Oil's sails. His response was that the shale revolution was actually peak oil in action. (The implication being, that if conventional oil production hadn't peaked, there'd be no need to engage in highly expensive shale exploration.)
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His response was that the shale revolution was actually peak oil in action.
Ah yes, that's rather good.
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Tarrel wrote:
(The implication being, that if conventional oil production hadn't peaked, there'd be no need to engage in highly expensive shale exploration.)
If CO hadn't peaked, the price wouldn't have risen to justify shale oil.
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Hi people,

I have been meaning to join for a while after losing Theoildrum.
My wife and I are just trying to prepare a bit for future changes. I hope we can help each other - it's good to read some like minded thoughts when neighbours and family don't see any problems.
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Hi fuzzy

Welcome.

Regarding your last eight words there, you and yours may enjoy this article by Golem.
Of course we are not encouraged to see this clearly or if we do, certainly not to speak of it to others. And many of those we might try to talk to, do not want to hear.
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
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