Labour Party Policy on Energy Pricing

[RenewableCandy]

Yep, those figures need to be shouted from the rooftops.

...while putting up the HW panels...

And anyway, what happens after 20 months?? Even if the scheme works as advertised, it'll be back to the same olde crap in 2016...

[biffvernon]

Maybe 20 months is as far ahead as politician plan.

Meanwhile, Germany:

Power for 2014 delivery in Germany and France dropped to records as rising solar output is expected to cut demand for other electricity sources.
German power, a European benchmark, fell as much as 1.5 percent, according to broker data compiled by Bloomberg. The equivalent French contract declined 0.3 percent.
Electricity for Germany next year lost 65 cents to 43.30 euros ($57.93) a megawatt-hour, it’s biggest decline since March 6, according to broker data compiled by Bloomberg. The French equivalent lost 15 cents to 46.20 euros.
As much as 18 percent of electricity demand may be replaced by solar panels not connected to Germany’s grid, reducing demand for other sources by 6 to 10 percent by 2020, Per Lekander, a Paris-based analyst at UBS AG (UBSN), said in a research note.
“The unsubsidized solar growth should drive wholesale power prices further down,” he said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-1 ... casts.html

[emordnilap]

policy planners don't think further ahead than what will sound populist coming out of political mouths

Stripping down your post, Tess, you embodied an eternal, infernal truth.

A degree in bullshit is on the CV of every politician.

To digress from the main topic (but to keep smelling out political bullshit), our government got into power on a great heap of promises which are being broken daily.

So always keep this in mind, guys - it is perfectly acceptable to lie to gain power; expected even.

For instance, our current powertwats, prior to being elected, promised to introduce a packaging levy; they have recently announced they will break this promise.

[Tarrel]

Yep, those figures need to be shouted from the rooftops.

...while putting up the HW panels...

And anyway, what happens after 20 months?? Even if the scheme works as advertised, it'll be back to the same olde crap in 2016...

Well, 20 months is the time horizon labour have given themselves to put a new regulation regime in place. The idea is to freeze prices until "Ofgem 2" can start to be effective.

[RenewableCandy]

Ah, right. That actually makes sense!

[Little John]

all power generation and supply should be re-nationalised and be done with it

[JavaScriptDonkey]

Well, 20 months is the time horizon labour have given themselves to put a new regulation regime in place. The idea is to freeze prices until "Ofgem 2" can start to be effective.

I think the idea is just to buy enough votes to allow Labour to get their hands on the treasury again so the gravy train can continue.

Milliband will promise anything he thinks will get him elected.

Whether he plans to default on those promises or just tax us all to death is the only question.

[woodburner]

Did the Labour Party buy lots of Centrica shares this morning?

[UndercoverElephant]

I'm sick of the entire spineless shower of shit at Westminster. Their language is a pale facsimile of idealism and willingness to act on behalf of the people, while their behaviour demonstrates them to be utterly powerless and without conviction.

Our politicians cannot change geology or the world economy and the imperatives these two things impose. But, they can change how equitably the resources we do possess are distributed. They can come clean and tell it straight with regards to how a smaller cakes gets distributed.

Instead, we get bullshit announcements about insignificant policies that fundamentally change nothing inside an unsustainable system that is unquestioned by all parties.

I ******* give up.

Yep, that's pretty much how I feel.

Same speech - going on about how unaffordable housing is. So he goes on about the lack of housing and promises how many new houses would be built under a labour government. But why are house prices so high and going higher? Has bugger all to do with availability. Nope, it is because the banks were allowed to invent infinite amounts of money to lend to people who thought house prices were going to go higher which led to a price boom. Then when it became clear that a lot of those loans would go bad, they (they? GORDON f***ing BROWN, SOCIALIST TRAITOR) bailed out the banks with public money and now they are promising to print, print, print ad infinitum, which guarantees another hike in house prices, which is exactly what "they" want, because it is the only way to get the fake-real economy going again. But does he say anything about changing the monetary system or getting the banks under control? Nope, that would actually be changing something, and he's a politician so he doesn't actually consider changing anything, he just spouts hot air and sounds oh-so-passionate.

Bunch of useless c***s. Wish they'd all F--k off.

[UndercoverElephant]

all power generation and supply should be re-nationalised and be done with it

Yep. And all public transport.

[extractorfan]

Bunch of useless c***s. Wish they'd all **** off.

Wasn't that experiment carried out with tremendous success in Belgium?

http://www.businessinsider.com/belgium- ... 11-12?op=1

Edit:

Actually, that's a cr*p link, I went there a couple of times on business while it was going on. Seemed a perfectly reasonable place to me, good food, good prices, nice people.

[biffvernon]

And here we have a seriously sensible contribution from Dale Vince, boss of Ecotricity.
http://zerocarbonista.com/2013/09/26/ho ... iscontent/
Best suggestions I've seen.

[Little John]

And here we have a seriously sensible contribution from Dale Vince, boss of Ecotricity.
http://zerocarbonista.com/2013/09/26/ho ... iscontent/
Best suggestions I've seen.

Bloody hell, that is quite an article, given whose mouth it is coming out of.

[biffvernon]

I don't actually support the Stroud football team, but I can't think of anything else he's done wrong.

[UndercoverElephant]

And here we have a seriously sensible contribution from Dale Vince, boss of Ecotricity.
http://zerocarbonista.com/2013/09/26/ho ... iscontent/
Best suggestions I've seen.

Bloody hell, that is quite an article, given whose mouth it is coming out of.

Read the first response, written by a right-wing arsehole.