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- emordnilap
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You're not the only one to miss him. Hope he's well and not too depressed.ujoni08 wrote:Where's Ludwig? I used to enjoy some of his rants
I experience pleasure and pains, and pursue goals in service of them, so I cannot reasonably deny the right of other sentient agents to do the same - Steven Pinker
- BritDownUnder
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Talking about it and making personal changes when it wasn't really biting in everyday life is one thing.ujoni08 wrote:Agreed. Most of us have talked about it and been making changes for years, and now PS often has less to say about the energy descent, so we descend into squabbles about politics, etc. Or maybe that's always been there, but just more obvious lately. Where's Ludwig? I used to enjoy some of his rants
Dealing with it as the reality begins to bite is inevitably going to involve politics and is inevitably going to get more heated. What some of you lot seem to be complaining about is that it is no longer a polite, tree-hugging, intellectual and philosophical pursuit and is all getting a bit messy and real. All of which is going to mean politics and economics is going to get in on the act. Politics and economics are, after all, nothing more than the means by which humans collectively organise themselves and and it is the way in which we shortly choose to do precisely that which will determine how successfully or otherwise we progress though this unfolding crisis. For example, what do you lot think all of the political crap going on around the world right now is actually about? How can any of you possibly think that debates about economics and politics are not at the heart of any discussion about Peak oil and its consequences?
Frankly, this is all sounding like a bit of a winge-fest. Don't misunderstand me, I am as capable of a good winge as the next guy.....
But, really, get a grip folks.
Firstly, pleae refrain from referring to forum members as 'you lot'. We are (in the main) intelligent individuals and not items to be bought and sold at auction. Thank you.stevecook172001 wrote:Talking about it and making personal changes when it wasn't really biting in everyday life is one thing.ujoni08 wrote:Agreed. Most of us have talked about it and been making changes for years, and now PS often has less to say about the energy descent, so we descend into squabbles about politics, etc. Or maybe that's always been there, but just more obvious lately. Where's Ludwig? I used to enjoy some of his rants
Dealing with it as the reality begins to bite is inevitably going to involve politics and is inevitably going to get more heated. What some of you lot seem to be complaining about is that it is no longer a polite, tree-hugging, intellectual and philosophical pursuit and is all getting a bit messy and real. All of which is going to mean politics and economics is going to get in on the act. Politics and economics are, after all, nothing more than the means by which humans collectively organise themselves and and it is the way in which we shortly choose to do precisely that which will determine how successfully or otherwise we progress though this unfolding crisis. For example, what do you lot think all of the political crap going on around the world right now is actually about? How can any of you possibly think that debates about economics and politics are not at the heart of any discussion about Peak oil and its consequences?
Frankly, this is all sounding like a bit of a winge-fest. Don't misunderstand me, I am as capable of a good winge as the next guy.....
But, really, get a grip folks.
In today's greed-ridden world I think you'll find that 'politics and economics' are the means by which politicians, the bankers and corporations keep the sheeple in place.Politics and economics are, after all, nothing more than the means by which humans collectively organise themselves
You're deluded if you think that the democratic process is at work anywhere on this scorched planet of ours.
We're ****** and you know it.
PowerSwitch is 'in the noise' and you know it.
It's game over I'm afraid. Get used to it.
- Potemkin Villager
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I agree 100% Cat and remain puzzled as to how mega posters here can spare the time to post so much. Some have managed over ten times as many posts as myself over the life of the site!Catweazle wrote:Since the real-world effects started we've all been a bit too busy to spend hours debating the subject.
Overconfidence, not just expert overconfidence but general overconfidence,
is one of the most common illusions we experience. Stan Robinson
is one of the most common illusions we experience. Stan Robinson
- careful_eugene
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- Lord Beria3
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Where I disagree is the idea that peak oil has gone mainstream. Most ordinary people still haven't heard of the idea and even in the broadsheets, PO is usually referred to in discussions on energy as a theory.
The Sunday Times did a big article on Britains future energy policy and did not mention PO once! So no, PO is still very much in the fringes.
As for the forum, it has moved more political, but that is inevitable as we now deal with the long-term decline of industrial civilisation. Debates about who gets what in a shrinking (or at best stagnating economy with any growth coming from asset inflation) will get more heated and at times unpleasant.
The rich won't want to go back to 70's style taxation, the middle classes will want to keep their privilages and the poor will not want any cuts to their welfare benefits. The elderly will want to protect their state pensions and the public sector will want to keep their final salary schemes promised by politicians in a era of perpetual growth.
As Greer says, try to opt out of the whole thing as much as possible and embrace poverty rather than have it forced on you down the line.
The Sunday Times did a big article on Britains future energy policy and did not mention PO once! So no, PO is still very much in the fringes.
As for the forum, it has moved more political, but that is inevitable as we now deal with the long-term decline of industrial civilisation. Debates about who gets what in a shrinking (or at best stagnating economy with any growth coming from asset inflation) will get more heated and at times unpleasant.
The rich won't want to go back to 70's style taxation, the middle classes will want to keep their privilages and the poor will not want any cuts to their welfare benefits. The elderly will want to protect their state pensions and the public sector will want to keep their final salary schemes promised by politicians in a era of perpetual growth.
As Greer says, try to opt out of the whole thing as much as possible and embrace poverty rather than have it forced on you down the line.
Peace always has been and always will be an intermittent flash of light in a dark history of warfare, violence, and destruction
- RenewableCandy
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"Peak oil" the term, Hubert, the relationship between discovery and extraction, EROI... that's not mainstream.Lord Beria3 wrote:Where I disagree is the idea that peak oil has gone mainstream.
However, the concept that the period of cheap energy is over is mainstream, EIA forecasts are falling year on year... less than a decade ago mainstream projections were for 130 million barrels a day at $30 by 2020. That thinking is no more. Energy security is now seen as a major challenge.
Peak oil has entered the mainstream - but not the simple cartoon Hubert first drew for us.