Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[Little John]

Whatever the reason, and call me egocentric if you will, I'm pretty relaxed about the lack of megafauna in Lincolnshire.

Of course you are relaxed as mega fauna would significantly interfere with your industrial lifestyle. And before you make the plaintiff claim that you are not living an industrial lifestyle, your lifestyle would be utterly impossible with out the support systems of this industrial civilisation whether you choose to accept that or not.

The plain-in-sight avarice and greed of unapologetic industrial consumerists I can live with. But, the kind of pathetic, facetious, smug, self-satisfied hypocrisy of people like you makes me sick.

I'm done here.

[biffvernon]

Whatever the reason, and call me egocentric if you will, I'm pretty relaxed about the lack of megafauna in Lincolnshire.

Of course you are relaxed as mega fauna would significantly interfere with your industrial lifestyle. And before you make the plaintiff claim that you are not living an industrial lifestyle, your lifestyle would be utterly impossible with out the support systems of this industrial civilisation whether you choose to accept that or not.

The plain-in-sight avarice and greed of unapologetic industrial consumerists I can live with. But, the kind of pathetic, facetious, smug, self-satisfied hypocrisy of people like you makes me sick.

I'm done here.

Bloody Hell! Humour Failure Alert!

Of course I live an industrial lifestyle. I'm writing this on a laptop made in China powered by solar panels made in China, made out of minerals dug up by poor people and assembled by more poor people, transported by a polluting ship and sold to me by an unknown capitalist. Did I ever claim anything else?

What have I said to upset you now, Steve?

(I have just popped in for a coffee-break after spending a couple of hours planting out wildflower seedlings - so my life's not all bad industry.)

[sushil_yadav]

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Supreme Courts and other courts of the world will never stop Industrial Projects that are destroying Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers,Oceans and Atmosphere..

Filing petitions in courts to save environment is a total waste of time.

Courts are Urban Institutions....Most of the Higher courts operate from Cities....They employ Urban People.

Urban Courts will always promote the interests of Urban Population, Not the interests of Villagers, Tribal People, Fishermen or Forests, Rivers and Oceans.

Cities are the destroyers of Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers and Oceans.

Supreme Court judges are Urban Dwellers....If there is no electricity in the city their offices and homes will go dark, their air conditioners will stop working, So they will always give clearance to all kinds of Energy Generation Projects.....Urban Living requires an endless supply of Metals and Minerals, So they will always give clearance to all kinds of Mining Projects.

The children of Supreme Court Judges are studying in Urban Schools and Universities....After passing out they will need jobs....All Urban Jobs are connected with Industrial Activity, directly or indirectly.....Therefore Supreme Court Judges will always promote Industrial Activity without which their children will have no jobs in future.

Judges might pretend to be working for the oppressed by stopping Industrial Projects for a few months but ultimately the approval is sure to come after the farce of Review Committees and Expert Panels all of whose members are Urban Dwellers once again.

Millions of Industries and Corporations are destroying environment....How many Industries and Corporations have been shut down by Courts in the entire world???

No Anti Industrial Protest for saving environment can succeed in this world without fixing the problem of Urban Population and Urban Education.

[And even if a few protests do succeed it is hardly going to make a difference when millions of Industries and Corporations are destroying environment moment by moment]

Almost the entire Urban Population of the world is employed in the Industrial Sector and is promoting Industrial Activity.

All Industrial Activity of the world is being run and promoted by University Graduates.

Whenever a new Industrial Project comes up anywhere whose implementation would destroy Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers or Oceans, a few hundred/ thousand local people and activists start protesting against the Project whereas millions of Urban People [which includes Governments and All Industrial/ Financial Organizations] start lobbying for the Project.

This is a very Unequal Battle which can never be won by the minority which is trying to save environment.

The battle has already been lost.....The Planet is dying and gasping for last breath.

Nuclear Power Plants, Coal Power plants, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Tar Sands, Fracking Industry, Monsanto.....None of these industries that are destroying environment can be stopped without fixing the problem of Urban population and Urban Education.

The source/ cause of all Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is Urban Work and Urban Education.

Destruction of environment can never be stopped unless Urban Work is stopped and Universities are closed down.

Urban Work is the problem.....Urban Work is the enemy.

Urban Education is the problem.....Schools and Universities are the enemy.

Industries and Corporations can never be stopped without stopping the Universities that are producing Millions of Scientists, Engineers, MBA's, Economists, Business and Finance Graduates who are running and promoting all Industrial Activity in this world.
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Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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[emordnilap]

Dimitri Orlov has a new book out on the five stages of collapse and how to survive them.

http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013- ... ook-review

And he is an entertaining read.

He is reductionist - break the problem into parts and find an adaption set (physical and mental) for each of them in turn. The problem is keeping it all together in your head without exploding...

The book is one of those unputdownables. I'm only halfway into the second stage but I read up to there in one sitting. So far he's proffered few 'solutions' but it's hard to argue with this perspective on current affairs.

[sushil_yadav]

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The recent Floods and Land Slides in Uttarakhand in India are more of an Industrial Disaster than a Natural Disaster.

This catastrophe is a consequence of World Bank funded Dam Industry.....Hundreds of Dams and Hydro Electric Projects are being constructed in the fragile mountain range.

This calamity is a consequence of unchecked activities of Construction Industry, Logging Industry, Mining Industry and Tourism Industry.

**Development is Destruction.....Development is Destruction.**

**Growth Rate** - **Economy Rate** - **GDP**....These are figures of Ecocide....These are figures of "Crimes against Nature"....These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".....These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Politicians who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Economists who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

IMF and World Bank which promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Rating Agencies which promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Industrialists who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

All people and Institutions that promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.
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Industrial Nations are used to threatening their adversaries with Military Might and Nuclear Weapons.

How are they going to deal with Climate which is getting more and more extreme day by day???

Are they going to nuke Hurricanes and Tornadoes too???

Are they going to nuke Droughts and Floods too???

The west used to think droughts and floods are problems of Asia, Africa and poor countries of the world....They are now occurring in the west too.

The day is not far when Agriculture will collapse worldwide due to extreme and irregular weather.

What is man going to eat???.....He has already decimated fish in the oceans.

Progress, Growth, Development.....This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP......These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP in this world.
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Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.
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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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[RenewableCandy]

You are guilty.

[biffvernon]

Well, we're all guilty of burning carbon and dumping the CO2 in the air. Seems the monsoon has started earlier and more violently than ever. It would be headline news if were in the USA. It's worse than York.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-22981885

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asi ... 17008.html

[RenewableCandy]

Oh we totally are all guilty. It's just that the rest of us don't shout at people while also being guilty.

[Yves75]

Oh we totally are all guilty. It's just that the rest of us don't shout at people while also being guilty.

But Brits are MORE guilty than the others regarding that industrial stuff and associated ultra utilitarianism, for sure, having more or less started it

[clv101]

Indeed, we certainly have amongst the largest historical 'guilt'. However, much of this guild-load was built up in honest ignorance, whilst delivering very real and tangible benefits.

Developing countries today, increasing their industrialism and consumption are also realising tangible benefits. However, the world is now a far smaller place, relatively so 'costs' are greater and net-benefits smaller. Also, net-negative actions can't be explained by ignorance as was reasonable in the past. For example India still to this day uses DDT in agriculture, this is not equivalent to the developed world's use in the 50s and 60s as we, including the Indian authorities, now know the associated dangers.

[Little John]

I don't feel in the slightest bit guilty, at least in any moral sense. However, as a matter of fact, it is undeniably true that I have been born into and have consequently partaken of a level of hydrocarbon consumption that is far higher than in other parts of the world. On the other hand, my higher level of hydrocarbon consumption (global warming and frying the planet aside.....) means that I probably have an ecological foot print the same or not that much bigger (and possibly even smaller) than someone from a developing country who must rely on purely bio-renewables for his or her existence.

It's not simple.

[biffvernon]

For example India still to this day uses DDT in agriculture, this is not equivalent to the developed world's use in the 50s and 60s as we, including the Indian authorities, now know the associated dangers.

And following Bhopal, India should be in the vanguard of organic farming.

[Little John]

For example India still to this day uses DDT in agriculture, this is not equivalent to the developed world's use in the 50s and 60s as we, including the Indian authorities, now know the associated dangers.

And following Bhopal, India should be in the vanguard of organic farming.

If India was in the vanguard of organic farming, their produce would be less competitive on the global market since they would be competing with other food exporting countries who employed every technological and hydrocarbon-based trick in the book to keep their prices down.

As is the case with all sensible behaviours that require a very long-range perspective of self-interest , everyone's got to do it or no one will do it. It's the prisoners dilemma.

[emordnilap]

Emerging economies such as Mexico and India are shifting energy investments into renewable resources while industrialised countries hesitate, noted two new United Nations reports released Wednesday in Nairobi, Kenya.

More here.

[kenneal - lagger]

For example India still to this day uses DDT in agriculture, this is not equivalent to the developed world's use in the 50s and 60s as we, including the Indian authorities, now know the associated dangers.

And following Bhopal, India should be in the vanguard of organic farming.

If India was in the vanguard of organic farming, their produce would be less competitive on the global market since they would be competing with other food exporting countries who employed every technological and hydrocarbon-based trick in the book to keep their prices down.

As is the case with all sensible behaviours that require a very long-range perspective of self-interest , everyone's got to do it or no one will do it. It's the prisoners dilemma.

I think that India is a net importer of food. They have embraced GM technology to the sad cost of their farmers who are committing suicide at an increasing rate as they find that they don't get any improvements in yield but do get significant cost increases which are bankrupting them.