Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

[RenewableCandy]

(and you are completely ignoring what I said to spout the same old rhetoric)

aha, you've sussed it at last eh ? s-y doesn't actually think.

[the_lyniezian]

(and you are completely ignoring what I said to spout the same old rhetoric)

aha, you've sussed it at last eh ? s-y doesn't actually think.

Or he figures he's done all the thinking he'll ever need to do and believes anything else is a waste of effort- he despises debate. Even though spewing out the same old same old only helps destroy the environment even more by keeping his computer on so he can post it. Then again I waste my efforts so perhaps I'm the person in a proverbial glass house...

I have already gathered the guy is like this but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, just in case.

[sushil_yadav]

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Industrial Society is destroying environment moment by moment and celebrating every moment of destruction.

Destruction.....Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes are destroying environment moment by moment.

Celebration.....Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Tourism Industry, Shopping Malls and Restaurants are providing non-stop celebration/ entertainment to citizens of Industrial Society.

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Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day.....Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day....Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day....Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day.....Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day.... Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day....Nuclear Industry has produced thousands of tonnes of Nuclear Waste which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.

Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!

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Industrial Society is a lunatic society where people are buying Health Insurance after destroying Bio Diversity and Ecosystems without which they will not even exist.
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[Yves75]

Personnally I like sushil quite a bit, a kind of new Guy Debord (Society of the Spectacle ), who also wrote in 1971 in "la planète malade" (the sick planet) :

"The era that has all the technical means to taint the absolute living conditions all over the Earth is also the era that, by using the same technical and scientific development in a seperated way, has all the means of measures and unmistakable mathematical forecast ability to accurately state in advance where leads - and around what date - the automatic growth of the productive forces of the alienated class society : it is a means to measure the rapid degradation of the very conditions of survival, in the most general and trivial sense of the term."
(very quickly modified from google translation)

full text :
http://www.non-fides.fr/IMG/pdf/Debord_ ... malade.pdf

[emordnilap]

Personnally I like sushil quite a bit

Maybe that's our new currency? 1 sushil = 100 donkeys.

[sushil_yadav]

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After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species on earth humans call themselves the Most Superior Species.

Height of Insanity.....Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.

If millions of other species could vote, man would not get even a single vote for "Most Superior Species" but millions of votes for "Most Inferior Species".

Human Species is the Most Insane, Abnormal and Criminal Species on earth.

Man has destroyed Forests and decimated millions of Plant and Animal species through Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports..

Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.

Oceans have turned acidic and warmer .....There are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing.

Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

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Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.


Animal Species searched for Food

Hunter_Gatherer Society searched for Food

Agrarian Society produced Food

Rural Industrial Society is producing Food

Urban Industrial Society is producing Thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.

Urban Industrial Society is the Anomaly.
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The work of Urban Industrial Society is Extra, Unnecessary and Destructive.

Urban Work has destroyed environment.....Urban Work must stop immediately.

Production of Industrial Consumer Goods must stop immediately.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work in this world.

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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[emordnilap]

Which reminds me: "The Secret of the Seven Sisters", the four-part summation of our domination by oil, says it all. Humans are reaching the end of their trajectory.

[sushil_yadav]

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Millions in this world have died for trivial reasons.

Millions in this world have killed for trivial reasons.

Millions have died and killed for Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions.

Only a handful have died for environment without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist.

Only a handful have killed for environment without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist.

The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

Radical Actions are needed.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

Do it Now.

A few years later would be too late.

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**Oath of Pseudo Environmentalists in Industrial Society**

Violence is Wrong....Violence is Unacceptable.

We will not indulge in violence to save environment.

We are willing to participate in violence against nature but not against man.

Violence against nature is okay, violence against man is not.

We are willing to witness the Torture, Slaughter and Decimation of millions of other species but not violence against man.

We are willing to witness the destruction of environment till the time there is no environment left on earth but we will not tolerate violence against People and Institutions that are destroying the environment moment by moment.

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People who think they are Non Violent are highly mistaken.

No one is Non Violent in Industrial Society.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Even those amongst us who are living very simple lives are still using at least some consumer goods and services whose production and use destroys nature directly or indirectly.

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** No punishment for the biggest crime on earth???? **

** No punishment for the crime which is billions of times bigger than the next biggest crime on earth???? **

** No punishment for the torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species????.....No punishment for destruction of most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth???? **

Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest killers, murderers and terrorists on earth.

No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???

No punishment for poisoning the planet with trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste???

No punishment for killing billions of acres of fertile soil [that was the source of food to millions of species] with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt???

No punishment for decimating fish in the oceans????.....No punishment for turning oceans acidic and warmer????.....No punishment for creating oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans???

This planet belonged to millions of species, not just man alone.

Man has taken over the entire planet....The Land, The Sky, The Oceans.

Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest killers, murderers and terrorists on earth.

No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???

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This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.

We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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[Little John]

Sushil, the only thing that will save both humanity and also the rest of life is if nine tenths of humanity disappear overnight. A plague is what is needed or, at a pinch, a nuclear war where a significant portion of the world's urban population were killed. Such a war would be very environmentally messy to begin with of course. But, life as a whole would probably see more benefits arising from the aftermath than losses.

In the absence of something as radical as the above, all is lost, I fear. Maybe, I suppose, if we all finally got our shit together and, at the global level, implemented a one-child policy right now, there may be some glimmer of hope. In order to have even a chance of persuading all of the world's people to acquiesce to such a policy, though, they would need to be utterly convinced that everyone was going to get a fair share of the resources and suffer a fair share of the pain But, that's not going to happen and so, as I said, all is lost.

[sushil_yadav]

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Industrial Nations are used to threatening their adversaries with Military Might and Nuclear Weapons.

How are they going to deal with Climate which is getting more and more extreme day by day???

Are they going to nuke Hurricanes and Tornadoes too???

Are they going to nuke Droughts and Floods too???

The west used to think droughts and floods are problems of Asia, Africa and poor countries of the world....They are now occurring in the west too.

The day is not far when Agriculture will collapse worldwide due to extreme and irregular weather.

What is man going to eat???.....He has already decimated fish in the oceans.
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Industrial Society is a lunatic society which talks about Justice, Welfare, Morality and Equality after torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species and destroying Forests, Rivers and Oceans.
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Jobs or Environment???

Economy or Environment???

This is just unbelievable.....The very fact that man needs to debate this issue shows how insane Industrial Society is.

Without environment man will not even exist.

Jobs have destroyed Environment....Urban Jobs have destroyed Environment.

Economy has destroyed Environment....Millions of other species don't need an economy to live on earth....Human species is the only lunatic one which thinks it needs one.

Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a disease and insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet.

Billions of pages of discussion is another harmful waste of Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.
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Industrial Society is a lunatic society that takes pride in keeping its cities clean but is not ashamed of littering the entire planet with Industrial Waste.

The entire planet has turned into a Landfill, Garbage Dump, Toxic Dump.

Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and contaminated with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.

Industrial Activity produces three kinds of Industrial Waste......Solid, Liquid and Gaseous......There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - Air, Water and Soil.....There is no fourth place on earth where it can go.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.
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Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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[woodburner]

Has it been asked before? Is sushil just a spambot?

[sushil_yadav]

.... if we all finally.... at the global level, implemented a one-child policy right now, there may be some glimmer of hope. ...

stevecook172001,

It is important to understand what led to overpopulation and whether the real problem is overpopulation or overconsumerism.

Increase in population has been wrongly associated with overbreeding and vilified as the cause of environmental destruction.

Overpopulation is a consequence of industrialization not overbreeding.....The entire world was overbreeding before industrialization, The entire world is underbreeding after industrialization.....There used to be 5 - 15 children per family before industrialization, Most families are now having 1 - 4 children.

World population jumped from 1 billion in the year 1800 to 7 billion in just 200 years after industrialization.

So if anything is to be blamed for overpopulation it is industrialization.

Overpoppulation and Overconsumerism are consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.

In the absence of Industrialization there would be no overpopulation and no overconsumerism.

Population has not destroyed environment.... This planet can sustain many times the present level of human population if we limit our activity to food, clothing and shelter and stop production of thousands of Industrial Consumer Goods.

Environment has been destroyed by consumerism not population.

The combined population of other species (whose size and weight) were equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than the present human population.....Yet they destroyed very little environment because they destroyed environment only for food , not for consumer goods and services.

So the real cause of environmental destruction is consumerism not population.

[Little John]

.... if we all finally.... at the global level, implemented a one-child policy right now, there may be some glimmer of hope. ...

stevecook172001,

It is important to understand what led to overpopulation and whether the real problem is overpopulation or overconsumerism.

Population has been wrongly associated with overbreeding and vilified as the cause of environmental destruction.

Overpopulation is a consequence of industrialization not overbreeding.....The entire world was overbreeding before industrialization, The entire world is underbreeding after industrialization.....There used to be 5 - 15 children per family before industrialization, Most families are now having 1 - 4 children.

World population jumped from 1 billion in the year 1800 to 7 billion in just 200 years after industrialization.

So if anything is to be blamed for overpopulation it is industrialization.

Overpoppulation and Overconsumerism are consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.

In the absence of Industrialization there would be no overpopulation and no overconsumerism.

Population has not destroyed environment, This planet can sustain many times the present level of human population....We need food, clothing and shelter to exist, not thousands of Industrial Consumer Goods.

Environment has been destroyed by consumerism not population.

The combined population of other species (whose size and weight) were equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than the present human population.....Yet they destroyed very little environment because they destroyed environment only for food , not for consumer goods and services.

So the real cause of environmental destruction is consumerism not population.

Sushil, whilst you are correct to identify industrialisation as being a significant accelerator of environmental degradation, you are factually incorrect to assert that this is the singular cause of such degradation.

Such degradation began as soon as we started to migrate out of Africa and increase our global population several hundred millennia ago. Take a look at the fossil history of large mega fauna and mega flora just prior and just post to that migration and a sudden reduction in biodiversity can be clearly discerned.

All of which was massively exacerbated and accelerated by the widespread adoption of non-migratory, farming lifestyles by the majority of humans around 10,000 years ago. The beginnings of recognisable "civilisation" in other words. This also marked a sudden and massive increase in the human population and accompanying reduction in global, biodiversity

The modern industrial world, with it's system of debt-based money creation with interest attached has merely accelerated the process even further and, arguably, has proved to be the most destructive part of the process of all. The reason being that such money creation requires that tomorrow's economy be always bigger than today's in order to avoid monetary collapse. This, in turn, requires that either products are deliberately constructed to not last very long so that there is a constant need to purchase replacements and/or that there be an ever increasing population of consumers to buy those products. In other words, industrial society actively requires rapidly growing populations.

However, a paradox of complex industrial societies is that, as people become more affluent, they unilaterally elect to have fewer children. This, in turn, has caused our rulers to encourage the mass migration of people from poorer parts of the world to the richer parts, all in order to keep the engine of industrialisation going.

The problem now is that, as we both know Sushil, the world is beginning to hit certain physical limits. There are simply not enough resources available to allow the industrial machine to keep operating. However, we have painted ourselves into a corner. There are simply too many people in the world now for that machine to be allowed to stop working. If it does, there will be massive starvation, war, pestilence and disease. And, so, we are eating up the world just to allow the industrial machine to avoid collapse and when we are finished, the earth will be a pale husk of its former self. Let's face it, it's a pale husk of its former self already.

Whilst industrialization is a significant part of the problem, the underlying problem is humans. We need a plague to wipe out 90% of us and we need it now. Our mother earth needs it now. The only way that humans and all of the rest of life on earth will prosper in the long run is if we get such a plague.

Without it, all is lost.

[clv101]

Population has not destroyed environment.... This planet can sustain many times the present level of human population if we limit our activity to food, clothing and shelter and stop production of thousands of Industrial Consumer Goods.

Environment has been destroyed by consumerism not population.

The combined population of other species (whose size and weight) were equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than the present human population.....Yet they destroyed very little environment because they destroyed environment only for food , not for consumer goods and services.

So the real cause of environmental destruction is consumerism not population.

Yes, I also believe 'consumerism' is the more significant term than population. Focusing on population is not as helpful and has less scope for meaningful change than focusing on consumption.

Such degradation began as soon as we started to migrate out of Africa and increase our global population several hundred millennia ago. Take a look at the fossil history of large mega fauna and mega flora just prior and just post to that migration and a sudden reduction in biodiversity can be clearly discerned.

The link between human expansion and megafauna extinction has recently been called into question. See this research:
http://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/scienc ... extinction

Whilst industrialization is a significant part of the problem, the underlying problem is humans. We need a plague to wipe out 90% of us and we need it now.

Obviously our impact is a function of population and consumption but I would suggest the more significant term is the consumption of the richest billion of us. It's more important to address the massively skewed consumption distribution than the magnitude of the population.

[biffvernon]

Whatever the reason, and call me egocentric if you will, I'm pretty relaxed about the lack of megafauna in Lincolnshire.