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http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/nov20 ... -n22.shtml
While the finance ministers and IMF are arguing about the exact form of the debt regime, they are agreed that the southern European country must be subordinated to the direct diktat of the EU so that the last cent can be squeezed out of the Greek working class. They are no longer satisfied with dictating the austerity measures to be implemented to the Greek government, but like the colonial powers of old are installing their own officials at all levels of the state and administration and even in the private banks.

Greece serves as a model for the whole continent. The redistribution of wealth from those at the bottom to those at the top cannot be reconciled with democratic rights or parliamentary forms of rule.

The latest draft of the credit agreement between the Troika—comprising the EU, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank—and the Greek government envisages the virtual abrogation of all the legal powers of parliament. It lays down in detail the timetable for legislation. Parliament is instructed to implement 259 “reforms”, which contain further devastating social cuts, the erosion of workers’ rights and the liberalization of markets.

If Greece refuses to implement these instructions to the letter, the troika is threatening to withhold further tranches of the financial aid already agreed. Greece would then be bankrupt within weeks and could no longer pay wages, pensions and social benefits.

The supposedly autonomous municipal administrations, like the individual ministries and state corporations, have already been robbed of any room for manoeuvre. They are obliged to reach definite austerity targets, and failure to do so results in cuts being automatically imposed. Austerity commissioners have been installed in every ministry, charged with ensuring that the cuts go through. The country's banks are also subject to commissioners, named directly by the troika in consultation with the government, responsible for the allocation of credits.

On Monday, a government spokesperson announced that Greece would deposit all the proceeds from the privatisation of profitable state enterprises into a special account that would be used exclusively for the repayment of debts and interest and is directly controlled by the troika. The German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble has proposed that the financial aid could also be parked in such an account. In this way, the Greek state would lose the final remnants of its financial independence.

The dictatorship of the EU over all levels of the state administration is a direct reaction to the continuing mass protests, strikes and factory occupations with which the workers throughout Greece are resisting the brutal social attacks.

In order to impose new cuts and to further plunder Greek society, the financial elite is resorting to increasingly authoritarian means. While they subject the state administration to their diktats, the fascist gangs of Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) are being mobilised and encouraged by the police to act against political opponents and workers.
Greece is the template for a European dictatorship in a 21st century form. Its a kind of post-modern fascism... and we are seeing it develop.

Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy and then France are the next targets.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/nov20 ... -n22.shtml
While the finance ministers and IMF are arguing about the exact form of the debt regime, they are agreed that the southern European country must be subordinated to the direct diktat of the EU so that the last cent can be squeezed out of the Greek working class. They are no longer satisfied with dictating the austerity measures to be implemented to the Greek government, but like the colonial powers of old are installing their own officials at all levels of the state and administration and even in the private banks.

Greece serves as a model for the whole continent. The redistribution of wealth from those at the bottom to those at the top cannot be reconciled with democratic rights or parliamentary forms of rule.

The latest draft of the credit agreement between the Troika—comprising the EU, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank—and the Greek government envisages the virtual abrogation of all the legal powers of parliament. It lays down in detail the timetable for legislation. Parliament is instructed to implement 259 “reforms”, which contain further devastating social cuts, the erosion of workers’ rights and the liberalization of markets.

If Greece refuses to implement these instructions to the letter, the troika is threatening to withhold further tranches of the financial aid already agreed. Greece would then be bankrupt within weeks and could no longer pay wages, pensions and social benefits.

The supposedly autonomous municipal administrations, like the individual ministries and state corporations, have already been robbed of any room for manoeuvre. They are obliged to reach definite austerity targets, and failure to do so results in cuts being automatically imposed. Austerity commissioners have been installed in every ministry, charged with ensuring that the cuts go through. The country's banks are also subject to commissioners, named directly by the troika in consultation with the government, responsible for the allocation of credits.

On Monday, a government spokesperson announced that Greece would deposit all the proceeds from the privatisation of profitable state enterprises into a special account that would be used exclusively for the repayment of debts and interest and is directly controlled by the troika. The German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble has proposed that the financial aid could also be parked in such an account. In this way, the Greek state would lose the final remnants of its financial independence.

The dictatorship of the EU over all levels of the state administration is a direct reaction to the continuing mass protests, strikes and factory occupations with which the workers throughout Greece are resisting the brutal social attacks.

In order to impose new cuts and to further plunder Greek society, the financial elite is resorting to increasingly authoritarian means. While they subject the state administration to their diktats, the fascist gangs of Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn) are being mobilised and encouraged by the police to act against political opponents and workers.
Greece is the template for a European dictatorship in a 21st century form. Its a kind of post-modern fascism... and we are seeing it develop.

Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy and then France are the next targets.
Don't count your chickens Yet. LB.

Socialist revolutions could yet happen in any of these countries. but, particularly, Greece or Spain. If it does, it would be a bellweather for the rest of Europe.

Here's hoping.
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Still awaiting the backlash against the Euro project from the masses...
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As I have said before we don't do revolutions in the Uk, it too drizzly. Socialist revolutions are even more remote. Maybe a good idea would be a punitive income tax of say 97% just for socialists. People could declare it on their self assessment forms!
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I don't think LB3 was talking about the UK masses.
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Lord Beria3 wrote:.............

Greece is the template for a European dictatorship in a 21st century form. Its a kind of post-modern fascism... and we are seeing it develop.

Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Italy and then France are the next targets.
The whole EU is a Fascist dictatorship, the commission being the Dictator.
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Greek police randomly beating up tourists because they think they are illegal immigrants:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20958353

That should help their tourist industry. :roll:
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Avoid Athens like the plague and stick to the islands or peripheral mainland. That's where most of the tourists are and they are a valued source of a livelihood.
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:shock: I'd feel perfectly safe walking about in greece
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UndercoverElephant wrote:Greek police randomly beating up tourists because they think they are illegal immigrants:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20958353

That should help their tourist industry. :roll:
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From Russia Today.
Greek finance minister trumpets recovery in 2014
"Towards the last quarter of 2013, we are going to have recovery," Stournaras told BBC News.
That's alright then, especially for the more than one-in-four unemployed.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/100430267
Even in the leafy northern stretches of this city, home to luxury apartment buildings, mansions with swimming pools and tennis clubs, the smell of wood smoke lingers everywhere at night.

In her fourth-floor apartment here, Valy Pantelemidou, 37, a speech therapist, is, like many other Greeks, trying to save money on heating oil by using her fireplace to stay warm.
Last year, he made some money. But this year, he said, everybody is selling wood — some of it stolen from national parks — and business is not so good. Even in this wealthy area, a lot of the customers come in for only 20 euros, or $27, worth of wood on colder days.

"The worst part is not the lack of money," Mr. Topalis said of his life today. "The worst part today is the mood that people are in."

Those who can afford to, like Ms. Pantelemidou, are using a combination of their fireplaces and electric heaters, unsure what this will do to their electric bills. But that is likely to bring some unpleasant surprises, as the government recently announced an increase in the cost of electricity that, depending on consumption, could be as much as 20 percent.

Still, oil suppliers are glum about their prospects. Elias Bekkas, who provides oil to 65 buildings around the city, said that many of his clients had not ordered any oil, and that some who had could not pay the bill. Last winter, he said, his company sold a little more than a million gallons. This season, it has sold only about 65,000 gallons, and he doubted the total would get to 225,000.

Tenant meetings to decide whether to buy oil, he said, have gotten ugly. A year ago, two buildings covered the costs for people who could not pay. But this year there is only bickering.

"There is anger, bitterness between neighbors who can afford oil and those that cannot," Mr. Bekkas said. "That is what Greece is like now."

Hes said he had detected a third class of people as well this winter. "There are those who are just making a political statement," he said. "They are just angry about the taxes."

Ms. Pantelemidou, like many others in newer buildings, has a fireplace that was designed largely for decorative purposes. It hardly heats her living room, let alone the rest of her apartment. She has pulled a chair close to it so she can stay warm.
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That type of article is a glimpse of our near future.
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emordnilap wrote:That type of article is a glimpse of our near future.
Yes, and I suspect that events in Greece have been a bit of a wake up call to some people here, Greece is a bit nearer home than other countries facing problems.
Although most fuel has increased in price, oil has gone up more than coal or natural gas, and oil is widely used in Greece.
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Greece to claim 162 billion euros from Germany as war reparations:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -bomb.html


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