UK electricity grid dashboard

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 05 Apr 2013, 17:15

ujoni08 wrote:
...From where I sit at my Mac, I have windows
So, do you have a Mac or Windows?

If he has a mac, it must be raining and he has a leaky roof

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ujoni08 · Post by **ujoni08** » 05 Apr 2013, 17:18

I presume you have windows too?

I do. Careful use of a small 'w'. Don't want to support uncle Bill G.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 05 Apr 2013, 17:23

JohnB wrote:
ujoni08 wrote:
...From where I sit at my Mac, I have windows
So, do you have a Mac or Windows?
If he has a mac, it must be raining and he has a leaky roof .

Capital comment!

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 05 Apr 2013, 17:28

emordnilap wrote:
JohnB wrote:
ujoni08 wrote: So, do you have a Mac or Windows?
If he has a mac, it must be raining and he has a leaky roof .
Capital comment!

Sorry, I should have used a capital, as it's named after its inventor!

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 05 Apr 2013, 17:35

Just to confuse things, I have windows on my mac (so I can see out when walking in the rain?)

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 05 Apr 2013, 17:39

JohnB wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
JohnB wrote: If he has a mac, it must be raining and he has a leaky roof .
Capital comment!
Sorry, I should have used a capital, as it's named after its inventor!

If that is consonant with your meaning of course.

I only hope you have no trouble with your vowels.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 05 Apr 2013, 18:43

Tarrel wrote:Just to confuse things, I have windows on my mac (so I can see out when walking in the rain?)

Given your location, that's wise. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to see where you're going

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JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 05 Apr 2013, 19:23

I've got windows in my tiny home, but they face the wrong way. I can look out of them and it looks dry, but then I go out of the door on the other side and discover I should be wearing a mac

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Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 23 Apr 2013, 19:51

clv101 wrote:
Indeed- the fact that we use 30GW at 4:30am on a Sunday morning... and only another 15GW at peak time is a clear indication that electricity is too cheap.

Yes this is truly mind blowing and indicative of a degenerate socieity truly just on the brink of collapse. The data on this web site provides the means to test and probe a range of assumptions from the highly optimistic to the very pessimistic. Another source is the David MacKay book. Sadly neither of these seem to have led to a very extensive discussion here and, with the permaexile of An Inspector Calls, the possibility of this further decreases.

CLV has also suggested the "answer" is to close down all the coal fired power stations. One question is what would be gained from this, even with severely depressed base load apart from the continuing over-dependence on Gas fueled CCGT plant that now becomes base load plant. With CCGT committed to based load from whence comes the load following plant?

I maintain that the only way to achieve serious fuel, cost and emission savings would be to abandon the whole concept of a demand lead electricity supply system, before being drastically forced to by rolling blackouts etc, and move on to to a (renewable) supply led system. There is limited experience of this approach mostly in remote and island communities but not much indication that it would go down well in Islington, Bath or Manhattan for example.........

Sadly there are thus only two hopes for this - Bob Hope and no hope!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 23 Apr 2013, 20:00

Potemkin Villager wrote:
CLV has also suggested the "answer" is to close down all the coal fired power stations. One question is what would be gained from this

The possibility that humanity has a future.

Closing down the coal stations is a necessary, though not sufficient, condition for avoiding catastrophic climate change.

Post by **clv101** » 23 Apr 2013, 21:09

Potemkin Villager wrote:I maintain that the only way to achieve serious fuel, cost and emission savings would be to abandon the whole concept of a demand lead electricity supply system, before being drastically forced to by rolling blackouts etc, and move on to to a (renewable) supply led system.

Yes, this is of course a major part the answer.

Pepperman · Post by **Pepperman** » 24 Apr 2013, 08:29

mikepepler wrote:Interesting site with live UK electricity data here. There's also graphs for day/week/month/year and a CSV download of all the data for a few years (16MB).
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php

It's good that someone's taken the BM reports data and made it more usable but this particular website was set up specifically with a view to bashing renewables (sorry, I mean to provide an evidence base for a rational energy policy):

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/about.html

And the website is linked to extensively by the usual suspects on calm days (but strangely they go quiet when it's windy).

He even references this report which anyone can clearly see is totally fair and balanced from the front page.

extractorfan · Post by **extractorfan** » 24 Apr 2013, 09:03

Pepperman wrote:
mikepepler wrote:Interesting site with live UK electricity data here. There's also graphs for day/week/month/year and a CSV download of all the data for a few years (16MB).
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/index.php
It's good that someone's taken the BM reports data and made it more usable but this particular website was set up specifically with a view to bashing renewables (sorry, I mean to provide an evidence base for a rational energy policy):

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/about.html

And the website is linked to extensively by the usual suspects on calm days (but strangely they go quiet when it's windy).

He even references this report which anyone can clearly see is totally fair and balanced from the front page.

I'm only on page 6 but can see where that report is going. Basically, and correctly, renewable energy cannot replace conventional energy and allow BAU to continue.

But we all know that, what's weird about this article, to someone like me, is it sounds like it's making some massive revelation, when it isn't.

Another weird thing is when I just typed renewable energy versus conventional energy, as with conventional farming versus organic farming. Mainstream terms that are not honest. Organic farming and renewable energy are conventional and chemical farming and fossil and nuclear energy are unconventional, they are the weird things when looked at across the span of more than say 200 years. Sorry, last paragraph irrelevant to the thread.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 24 Apr 2013, 09:17

Another source is the David MacKay book

Just looked up, and downloaded, the David Mackay book. Very interesting reading. Thanks for the reference.

http://www.withouthotair.com/ for anyone, like me, who wasn't aware of it.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 24 Apr 2013, 12:02

extractorfan wrote:Organic farming and renewable energy are conventional and chemical farming and fossil and nuclear energy are unconventional, they are the weird things when looked at across the span of more than say 200 years. Sorry, last paragraph irrelevant to the thread.

Good paragraph though.

Organic farming was the convention from the start of the Neolithic till just a couple of generations ago.

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