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[RenewableCandy]

if you read further on the bbc article you will find comments from people who say I'm leaving london because its no longer part of england, or it is white flight .

The plural of anecdote is not data.

White flight is

what this looks like, but if you read the article you'll see that in a way it's age flight, not white flight, that's happening here. The older people, who by definition have been living in London the longest, are selling-up their highly-valued urban properties and using the money to go and live somewhere a bit more peaceful. The phenomenon is not "white flight" like there was in the USA, because the houses are being bought, by people who aren't poor (if they were poor, they wouldn't be able to afford the houses' high prices). "White flight" implies the neighbourhoods are suffering a decrease in (perceived) value: that is not what's happening here.

[UndercoverElephant]

Its like listening to members of the dodo tribe go on about over population of birds, and coming up with reasons not to lay eggs for the sake of the planet.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=489 ... =2&theater

[Little John]

Its like listening to members of the dodo tribe go on about over population of birds, and coming up with reasons not to lay eggs for the sake of the planet.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=489 ... =2&theater

Divine intervention is all that could save us from ourselves now and, since I have no religious faith, I have no faith we can be saved from ourselves.

There is no hope.

[jonny2mad]

Its like listening to members of the dodo tribe go on about over population of birds, and coming up with reasons not to lay eggs for the sake of the planet.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=489 ... =2&theater

One of my summer jobs is cleaning up after pop festivals basically picking up every piece of litter even down to fag butts on 100s of acres, Ive also worked on bin lorrys, so I know something about litter .

Still don't see what use it will be replacing possibly green kids, with kids from the sudan or lagos because thats what you are doing .

If mankind is ever to change you need to have enough people wanting to change in a society, now I can see muslims having the ability to change our society because they have lots of kids and indoctrinate them to believe in islam. But greens are not going to change the world because basically they believe in death and suicide

[jonny2mad]

The plural of anecdote is not data.

White flight is

what this looks like, but if you read the article you'll see that in a way it's age flight, not white flight, that's happening here. The older people, who by definition have been living in London the longest, are selling-up their highly-valued urban properties and using the money to go and live somewhere a bit more peaceful. The phenomenon is not "white flight" like there was in the USA, because the houses are being bought, by people who aren't poor (if they were poor, they wouldn't be able to afford the houses' high prices). "White flight" implies the neighbourhoods are suffering a decrease in (perceived) value: that is not what's happening here.

The bbc basically is the propoganda arm of multiculturalism so they will spin even a story of 600,000 whites leaving london, many of which say they are leaving because london no longer feels like home as some sort of success story.

you could look at the way john cleese was attacked for his "racist " comments saying london is no longer an english city .most people dont bother to say anything they don't join anti immigration groups they just move away.

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J2m - unless you live in the same county, town and street in which you were born I don't understand what your problem is with country migration. Is it somehow different if people cross country boundaries rather than county boundaries? Or is it just about religion and colour?

[kenneal - lagger]

Some people are unhappy when surrounded by people of another culture: sights sounds and smells become unfamiliar and they feel that they are living in another country. They long for their own culture again and leave to find it. Is there anything wrong with that?

I happen to enjoy other cultures, Greek and West Indian especially, but I've only experienced them for two weeks at a time. I'm not sure how I would feel if it were a full time thing although I did contemplate getting a place in Greece for a while. Missus didn't like the idea so it didn't go any further.

[jonny2mad]

J2m - unless you live in the same county, town and street in which you were born I don't understand what your problem is with country migration. Is it somehow different if people cross country boundaries rather than county boundaries? Or is it just about religion and colour?

I think its quite unnatural and a sign of sickness to want to be invaded and become at best a powerless minority .

When you stop being a majority in a country its no longer your country.

You say is it just about religion and colour well tot up the number of wars over religion and ethnicity, then tot up the various genocides and oppressions, we are basically making the balkans or worse genocide.

The un definition of genocide the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"

Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups."


Now what we have is a situation where all white peoples of the earth apart from maybe russia I would say have a policy of genocide against their own people.

If this was happening in africa or asia I think we would take note, lets say you had black polititians say that black people were boring, their culture was in some way inferior, and they needed to bring in millions of orientals or europeans to stop africa being too black .

And that you had reports that within 50 years blacks would be a minority in africa, and that black polititians of all political persuasions were rejoicing over this.

Basically this is what you have in europe and north america etc

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Thanks for your reply J2M. I take your point but you haven't addressed my point about why you focus on colour and country and not regions within the UK. For example the residents of Weston-Super-Mare might not want racist bigots moving to their area and feel that it threatens their culture
In your view Should the English be allowed to move to Wales? Should Northeners be allowed to move to the South East? Should Mancunians be allowed to move to Cornwall? I genuinely don't understand the focus on some arbitrary national boundary.

[jonny2mad]

Thanks for your reply J2M. I take your point but you haven't addressed my point about why you focus on colour and country and not regions within the UK. For example the residents of Weston-Super-Mare might not want racist bigots moving to their area and feel that it threatens their culture
In your view Should the English be allowed to move to Wales? Should Northeners be allowed to move to the South East? Should Mancunians be allowed to move to Cornwall? I genuinely don't understand the focus on some arbitrary national boundary.

National boundarys came about by different people fighting to make them, I think if you get rid by some edict of all national boundarys all that will happen is people will go back to making new ones again .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE sharia patrol in london remember now this is while muslims are a minority, and the muslim leaders who are appalled are only concerned because it might wake the boiling frog .

Basically I think your fighting a inbuilt territoriality, monkey packs lion prides , most mammels to a degree are territorial humans are too

[jonny2mad]

Thanks for your reply J2M. I take your point but you haven't addressed my point about why you focus on colour and country and not regions within the UK. For example the residents of Weston-Super-Mare might not want racist bigots moving to their area and feel that it threatens their culture
In your view Should the English be allowed to move to Wales? Should Northeners be allowed to move to the South East? Should Mancunians be allowed to move to Cornwall? I genuinely don't understand the focus on some arbitrary national boundary.

I think there is less difference between cultures and people in say different parts of the uk and say the uk and nigeria

If the same thing thats happening here was happening in say africa would you refer to a african that didnt want to become a minority as a racist bigot, are native americans who are unhappy they are now powerless minoritys in america all racist bigots

I think moving from town to town in england would be ok, if you were moving to for example a welsh speaking part of wales really you should learn to speak welsh

[jonny2mad]

you could look at the power of ethnicity to either pull apart or unite countrys. In yugoslavia in the 1990s you had a civil war where croats serbs muslims etc cut the country up into 7 pieces because people want to live with their own people .

At the same time you had west germany paying a trillion dollars to unite with another country east germany because they felt they were the same people ethnically .

I think when you do what we have done your basically setting us up for a terrific civil war, I think your likely to see it in america first, and then I fully expect people to see the danger but then it will be too late, it may well already be too late .

Look around the world at countrys that don't have a clear ethnic majority and often times you will notice those countrys are unstable politically

[JavaScriptDonkey]

Thanks for your reply J2M. I take your point but you haven't addressed my point about why you focus on colour and country and not regions within the UK. For example the residents of Weston-Super-Mare might not want racist bigots moving to their area and feel that it threatens their culture
In your view Should the English be allowed to move to Wales? Should Northeners be allowed to move to the South East? Should Mancunians be allowed to move to Cornwall? I genuinely don't understand the focus on some arbitrary national boundary.

The Welsh, Irish, Scots and English share enough common ground to be able to mostly rub along together. Migrants from (for instance) Sudan have very little in common with the host nation.

You have to ask why someone wants to come to live here. Is it to actually be here or is it just to take advantage of what we have?

Do you come to my house to see me or do you come to just get a free meal and a shower?

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Can I just confirm that if some crisis befalls the UK (civil war, environmental disaster, or whatever) neither of you will be moving abroad. You'll just stay in the country of your birth and won't hypocritically think about moving to a country where you might have a better quality of life.

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Do you come to my house to see me or do you come to just get a free meal and a shower?

Just to urinate through your letterbox
Seriously though, of course people come here because they think it's better than what they've got. A lot of the time people risk death or prison to get into the UK, that sounds like they must be pretty desperate.

Populations have always moved about, I'm sure if we all go back far enough we could trace ancestors who were not born in the UK. Maybe you'll have to accept that the UK isn't a whites only christian country any more (or ever was) and just get over it.