A Remarkable Indicator of Feelings Against This Government.

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 21 Oct 2012, 17:54

I chanced upon this story about Theresa May's proposed crackdown on gun crime on the BBC news website.

Usually I'd expect swathes of anti-gun lobbyists frothing support throughout the comments but what I found was page after page of heartfelt attack on this Government.

I was slightly stunned.

Snail · Post by **Snail** » 21 Oct 2012, 20:36

Surprised how much this Government is hated? I'm surprised that you're surprised!

edit: one of the comments mentioned that the bbc changed the headline and article. Have no idea what the previous article was about. Still hate this Gov. tho.

edit: deleted most of comment as sounded like too much of rant. sorry

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 22 Oct 2012, 12:00

On the whole people seem to have gone from a fundamental quiet belief that Government (and the people therein, including major businesses) is something that helps you, to the belief that you get by in spite of what Government throws at you.

Peter1010 · Post by **Peter1010** » 22 Oct 2012, 13:35

RenewableCandy wrote:On the whole people seem to have gone from a fundamental quiet belief that Government (and the people therein, including major businesses) is something that helps you, to the belief that you get by in spite of what Government throws at you.

Indeed, For a while now I've been musing over whether to bother voting in the governement created upcoming police commissioner elections; as if they think that would solve anything?

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 22 Oct 2012, 14:16

I'm in two minds about voting in the police commisioner election.

I know my vote has zero chance of affecting the outcome - the tory will win. The only party who I would vote for in most elections is not putting up a candidate.

I do want to protest against this increased political control of the police. I am not sure if I will do this better by voting for an independant or not voting.

There are two independant candidates. They are both ethnic asian. One is a 'businessman' read tory lite. The other is a public service apparachnic with 30 years experience, some of it relevant. However, he clearly is a career politician by any other name, and just another branch of the establishment.

Ex policeman Blair says don't vote. So on his past record I will be voting ....

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 22 Oct 2012, 14:19

the three main partys are pretty hated its not just liberals and conservatives, some people still remember labour giving money to the banking cabal and fighting imperialist wars.

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 22 Oct 2012, 14:29

As it looks like a choice between Tory and Labour, with no independents, it's against my principles to vote. I bet there won't be a "none of the above" box. The official web site won't list candidates until the 26th, so I suppose there may be someone else standing that Wikipedia didn't list.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 22 Oct 2012, 15:53

After watching the BBC program about Trump and his Scottish golf course last night I was seething, especially the way the police were used to further the scum bag's aims and the way they seemed to enjoy it. I hope the journalist takes some action over the way he was treated.

After the way the police behaved during the G20 protests I was worried but with new political control I was even more worried that we're on the road to a political state.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 22 Oct 2012, 17:17

I hadn't thought of it that way...the police are supposed to be completely separate from all that, aren't they? So if the Chief of Police or whatever it is we're voting for, is a party politico, then...erm...

Luckily for me, one of the 2 standing here is someone I vaguely know, for a party I can vaguely tolerate (atm), and she's on the Safer City Partnership which seem to be fairly good at preventing crime.

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 23 Oct 2012, 06:07

Snail wrote:Surprised how much this Government is hated? I'm surprised that you're surprised!

David Cameron is organising a moral-building jolly at a brewery next Sunday, but they'll all be back to work bright and sober at 7am on Monday

energy-village · Post by **energy-village** » 27 Oct 2012, 00:54

mobbsey wrote:
Snail wrote:Surprised how much this Government is hated? I'm surprised that you're surprised!
David Cameron is organising a moral-building jolly at a brewery next Sunday, but they'll all be back to work bright and sober at 7am on Monday

That's interesting, there's a debate in parliament on the beer duty escalator on Thursday 1st November - called by the Backbench Business Committee in response to the "Stop the Beer Duty Escalator" e-petition http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/29664.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 27 Oct 2012, 15:48

mobbsey wrote: David Cameron is organising a moral-building jolly

If only.....

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 28 Oct 2012, 12:05

What surprised me so much wasn't the level of vitriol but its location.
Shooters are very used to being maligned, portrayed as being but a heartbeat away from committing mass murder, and such articles usually attract the anti-gun lobby in droves.

But not this time.

This time the rabid anti-gun lobby were drowned out by the anti-Government lobby.

That is what surprised me.

(FTR I would support any moves to de-restrict gun ownership for law abiding citizens. Criminals already have guns and I don't see that as a valid reason to stop me target shooting.)

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 06 Nov 2012, 15:31

Interesting story here about police commissioner elections.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 06 Nov 2012, 16:14

Well if that isn't corruption then I'm a banana.