Why do the police kick the shit out of people?

[jonny2mad]

I wonder if ex Mongols or ex roman legionaries felt remorse, or is it just the product of post Christian Guilt, my guess is largely it is .
I could see Mongols or ex legionaries having some PTSD but maybe less than we have today, because I think they were actually mentally tougher, they certainly were physically much tougher than any modern soldier

[Snail]

The main deterrent to people being violent is fear of consequences and empathy with the person you’re beating up

I wonder if empathy is also one of the reasons for violence. In some countries like Afghanistan you have blood feuds and what-not. Lots of large groups of people who identify with each other. With members who are willing to commit violence and even die for each other.

Western society is much more individualistic. I don't, for example, group myself with anyone really and so am unwilling to fight or die for any particular group.

These policemen and soldiers see themselves as part of a group and so their empathy with each other permits violence to outsiders. Aren't initiation ceremonies designed to create groups from individuals?

Have no idea really, but seems to me empathy is a double-edged sword were violence is concerned.

[jonny2mad]

Good point snail

[SleeperService]

I think snail has hit the nail on the head. In my experience a group of people will always go further than any one of them would, not just in violence. I think they try to out compete each other.

The Roman ex legionnaire would be mentally tougher as he would have seen animals being slaughtered for him to eat and possibly done so himself. Death would be a part of (almost) daily life.

I think the guilt is a by product of the religious command 'Thou shalt not kill' and the stated penalty of no reward in the afterlife. If you believe in the regiment is belief in an even higher authority so easy to dismiss?

BOT I think some Police are in it for the violence, some want to help people, some want an easy life. Just like the members of any group IMHO

[JavaScriptDonkey]

Whereas I think that most violence is committed by young adults and most reflection on it is done in middle age.

I don't think too many legionnaires reached middle age.

It's also worth remembering that Rome posted legionnaires to distant lands where they were not welcome. Slaughtering the locals was required if you wanted to ever get home again.

[northernraider]

You have seen the Spanish and Greek protests?

Why do the police kick the shit out of their bretheren / neighbours / fellow humans?

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Cos all to often they idiots ask for it, When you see socialist thugs anti fascists and other members of the great unwashed throwing bricks, bottles and petrol bombs at cops simply trying to stop mass criminal damage being done by mindless yobs , I can see why they get fed up and give the fools a good kicking.

[nexus]

Erm what's wrong with being 'anti fascist'. Weren't all right thinking British people anti-fascists in WWII?

I think the most recent attacks on UK police came from the fascist EDL, this weekend, in Wallsall.

As for the populations in Southern Europe, most are hungry and jobless and most still demonstrate peacefully.

Get your facts right before you come on this forum spouting nonsense.

[DominicJ]

Nexus
I repeat
Read inspector gadget.

"Anti facism" has somehow become smashing up the property of those you dont like.
The police, with little to no riot training or equipment, are put between those violent thugs and their target, and instructed that a firm, authoritative but polite command is all that is required to calm the situation.

If you havent managed to find any pictures of police being attacked, it would be pointless to get them for you

[northernraider]

Erm what's wrong with being 'anti fascist'. Weren't all right thinking British people anti-fascists in WWII?

I think the most recent attacks on UK police came from the fascist EDL, this weekend, in Wallsall.

As for the populations in Southern Europe, most are hungry and jobless and most still demonstrate peacefully.

Get your facts right before you come on this forum spouting nonsense.

I know my facts Sir, I have studied the antics of the psuedo communists for many years, I remember how the Anti Nazi League had to rebrand itself into the UAF after so many of its members got arrested for various criminal acts, including violent assault. I have seen first hand members waving SWP banners inciting riots. I have read the police reports of the riots in west yorks in 2000 when the police specically and categorically blamed the anti fascists for inciting the riots and unlawfully assembling when clearly told not to.

BTW go watch AlJazeera they have been reporting about the rioters in Athens and Madrid getting ever more violent.

I also know from experience that the anti fascists are generally more fascist and undemocratic that the losers of the BNP.

Socialism Sir is a cancer the world is struggling to she itself of, be it National Socialism or the even more malignant left wing socialism.

BTW National socialism as evil and malignsant as it was , its no where as cancerous and rotten as what followed WW2 the creeping malignancy of socialism has seen hindreds of millions die across the world, in the Uk it is behind our collapsing society. Socialism is just a polite term for parasitism.

Winston summed up the left perefctly, he said Capitalism may be the unequal sharing of wealth, but in comparison socialism is only ever the equal sharing of misery. Gimme the right over the left any day

[northernraider]

Nexus
I repeat
Read inspector gadget.

"Anti facism" has somehow become smashing up the property of those you dont like.

Good point, I always remember the ANL/ UAF spokesman and his side kicks hiding behind masks talking to a reporter. He said Why are you attacking the BNP supporters and the police, I've seen your people pulling down steel riot barriers and pelting the police and marchers with bricks and bottles?

The ANL chap replied " The BNP are violent thugs who go around attacking innocent people, they are nazis and they should be banned"

The reporter said " Erm but are you not doing exactly the same thing as the BNP just going around attacking people simply because you dont like them" The ANL/UAF chaps had no answer.

I also remember TV crews asking if the ANL/UAF hate the BNP so much why dont they stand against them in elections? The ANL chaps said they did not want to they would fight the BNP with counter protests, ambushes and riots if neccessary.

And the TV crew said " But the BNP are a fully registered democtatically elected political party and the ANL is not" And again the ANL chaps said We dont care about democracy !!!

Sez it all really. But personally I cannot stand the far left or far right.

[Snail]

"In the Uk it is behind our collapsing society"

Unequal distribution of wealth leads to an even more unequal distribution. This ultimately leads to a collapsing society. IMO. Global capitalism has destroyed this country, not the NHS or the wellfare state.

No need to reply. It just astounds me that some people don't see this, even as I know they so firmly believe the opposite.

[northernraider]

"In the Uk it is behind our collapsing society"

Unequal distribution of wealth leads to an even more unequal distribution. This ultimately leads to a collapsing society. IMO. Global capitalism has destroyed this country, not the NHS or the wellfare state.

No need to reply. It just astounds me that some people don't see this, even as I know they so firmly believe the opposite.

Sir I bedlieve it is no coincidence that the decline in this nation started in 1948 at the same time the welfare state and NHS was created. It has blossomed into a burcratic costly disaster with ever more people wanting to take out more than they put in.

The current mess we are in was created entirely by Labour spending billions they did not have and refusing to regulate the banks even when they knew it was going wrong. Unregulated greedy and corrupt tory bankers and profligate corrupt labour government combined to create a perfect storm.

However I say the best place for a working mans wages should be in his pocket and not taken in taxes to waste on ridiculous welfare schemes.

[Little John]

Milgram experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Stanford prison experiement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

[Little John]

"In the Uk it is behind our collapsing society"

Unequal distribution of wealth leads to an even more unequal distribution. This ultimately leads to a collapsing society. IMO. Global capitalism has destroyed this country, not the NHS or the wellfare state.

No need to reply. It just astounds me that some people don't see this, even as I know they so firmly believe the opposite.

Sir I bedlieve it is no coincidence that the decline in this nation started in 1948 at the same time the welfare state and NHS was created. It has blossomed into a burcratic costly disaster with ever more people wanting to take out more than they put in.

The current mess we are in was created entirely by Labour spending billions they did not have and refusing to regulate the banks even when they knew it was going wrong. Unregulated greedy and corrupt tory bankers and profligate corrupt labour government combined to create a perfect storm.

However I say the best place for a working mans wages should be in his pocket and not taken in taxes to waste on ridiculous welfare schemes.

Look at those countries that have sought to curb the excesses of laissez faire capitalism and then look at those that have sought to set it loose with the minimum of regulations. Then tell me which of those countries has the highest violent crime levels or, indeed, the hoghest crime levels of any kind. Tell me which has the highest self harm levels and other measures of metal illness andm finally, which has the most extreme levels of poverty.

Also, tell me which country the financial crisis started in.

[nexus]

You know what I can't even be arsed to argue with people of the far right on these boards. Life is too just short.

BTW NR, although you keep addressing me as 'Sir', I'm actually female. So if you're not going to get anything else right, at least try not to make assumptions.