Spain Watch, and Catalan independance

Post by **adam2** » 11 Sep 2012, 08:56

Not looking very good.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19553002

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 11 Sep 2012, 20:44

Some 1.5 million people have taken part in Catalonia's annual independence rally in Barcelona, police say.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19564640

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 11 Sep 2012, 21:01

adam2 wrote:Not looking very good.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19553002

It is very hard to tell the difference between extreme brinkmanship, and a completely forced hand. Or perhaps there isn't any.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 11 Sep 2012, 21:02

biffvernon wrote:
Some 1.5 million people have taken part in Catalonia's annual independence rally in Barcelona, police say.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19564640

So...they're demanding 5 billion euros...AND independence? Sounds like the SNP, but even more detached from reality.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 27 Sep 2012, 19:12

Ok, things are really starting to collapse in Spain...

Ambrose is about the only person who understands just how serious it is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -deal.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/am ... ved-spain/

This is a chilling article - the neo-Francoist military are threatening a military dictatorship to prevent secession by the regions... a rerun for the Civil War in Spain again?

The great financial crisis is now starting to shift into a political one.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 27 Sep 2012, 19:40

Lord Beria3 wrote:Ok, things are really starting to collapse in Spain...

Ambrose is about the only person who understands just how serious it is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -deal.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/am ... ved-spain/

This is a chilling article - the neo-Francoist military are threatening a military dictatorship to prevent secession by the regions... a rerun for the Civil War in Spain again?

The great financial crisis is now starting to shift into a political one.

"German bank exposure to Spain is €145bn"

Better start battening down the hatches!

DominicJ · Post by **DominicJ** » 27 Sep 2012, 21:53

UE
Not really
Scotland receives a subsidy, catalonia pays one.
Its more like London / South East breaking away.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 27 Sep 2012, 22:23

Tarrel wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:Ok, things are really starting to collapse in Spain...

Ambrose is about the only person who understands just how serious it is.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina ... -deal.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/am ... ved-spain/

This is a chilling article - the neo-Francoist military are threatening a military dictatorship to prevent secession by the regions... a rerun for the Civil War in Spain again?

The great financial crisis is now starting to shift into a political one.
"German bank exposure to Spain is €145bn"

Better start battening down the hatches!

It's an October thing, isn't it?..

Post by **adam2** » 29 Sep 2012, 00:26

More here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19763756

Note the exactitude ! 59.3 billion, not 59.2 or 59.4 ![/url]

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 29 Sep 2012, 08:26

It's the subtle but important, difference between precision and accuracy, a distinction that is, sadly, neglected in the nation's maths education.

Post by **adam2** » 09 Oct 2012, 10:55

More reliant on charitable handouts, in a developed nation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19881851

Could never happen here could it ?

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 09 Oct 2012, 11:39

These nations need to get their own control of money back. The euro has failed. They have to stop money leaving their countries. This includes Ireland. This will all end in tears.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 09 Oct 2012, 12:37

In recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of people in Spain have held a series of protests against their government, calling for an end to ongoing austerity measures. It’s big news, and yet, if you’re like most Americans, you’re not even aware of the Spanish uprisings.

nexus · Post by **nexus** » 09 Oct 2012, 14:46

Good article em. I like the links they make about the causes of the protests and the lack of coverage in the American MSM:

Sound familiar? The Spanish’s people attempt to take back their country could just as well take place in the United States. Frankly, the corporate-controlled American media doesn’t want to give anyone any ideas.

Especially given the popularity of the movement in Spain. Anytime you can get tens of thousands of people to surround a Congressional building and shut down business as usual is a threat to the system. Of course, you’re bound to get a lot of people into the streets with a nearly 25% unemployment rate. And with the government instituting higher taxes and more cutbacks on social services and benefits, the people are similarly bound to reach a point where they will no longer stand for it.

Another thing the media doesn’t want you to know is that the movement is spreading. Currently, anti-austerity protests can be found in Greece and Portugal, too. Though the people are rallying against their respective governments, they have a shared struggle and justifiable rage that the countries’ richest individuals caused the financial problems, while the hardships and sacrifices are being thrust upon the working class.

Make no mistake: the powers that be see these protests as a legitimate threat. Why else, then, would they use the police to brutally beat and suppress the protesters? The videos that have emerged are frightening.
Of course, the American media does not want you to see these images, either. They don’t want you to see how a “civilized” government would brutalize its own people, much in the same way that the police impede journalists from capturing the oppression of protesters here in America.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 09 Oct 2012, 18:17

I'm going to put something in print now that I've been wondering about for a year or so...why exactly are street demos regarded as a threat? I mean, apart from trashing a few buildings, what can a street demo, by itself, actually do?

It can be seen that "the Authorities" could decide to just carry on and do whatever it is that they were going to do (e.g. invade a random Middle Eastern country) anyway.

The more I think about this, the more I think that what's needed, by people who want a change, is to stop doing something that "the authorities" need them to be doing.