+2...stevecook172001 wrote:**** mefrank_begbie wrote:They have him surrounded now.stevecook172001 wrote:There is something really sinister going on at the BBC.
On the front page of their news site, they have placed the story of the young boy who was raped in Manchester right next to a story on the Assange case.
What the **** is going on?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/
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Have you noticed how that latest twist in the propaganda war has been to move the agenda onto open gender warfare.UndercoverElephant wrote:Assange is the last thing TPTB want attention focused on.acman wrote:There's an election coming up in the USA, they need a 'bad bogey' man,
It seems to me the whole world one way or another is in turmoil, East & West, Julian Assagne is a distraction along with everything else.
They play the liberal chattering classes like f***ing fiddles.
I think that the Swedish authorities should have come to Britain to interview Assange, the case is clearly highly political and he won't stand a chance if extradited to the US and as Sweden can't give him a guarantee extradition wouldn't happen, getting asylum from Ecuador was an a sensible option.
That doesn't, however exclude the fact that he may have behaved at the very least badly and at worst, criminally (under Swedish law) towards two women, or he may not.
I think it's quite sad that on some fora misogynists have used the Assange case to launch anti-women/rape denying tirades. In the same way I find it difficult that some women who speak up for rape victims can't see that in this case there is a whole other layer - the authorities are treating these allegations much more seriously than usual for political reasons.
That doesn't, however exclude the fact that he may have behaved at the very least badly and at worst, criminally (under Swedish law) towards two women, or he may not.
I think it's quite sad that on some fora misogynists have used the Assange case to launch anti-women/rape denying tirades. In the same way I find it difficult that some women who speak up for rape victims can't see that in this case there is a whole other layer - the authorities are treating these allegations much more seriously than usual for political reasons.
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The Guardian's attitude is more worrying than the BBC's, I think. It used to be at least reasonably reliable, whereas with the beeb we could naturally expect some pressure from their paymasters.
What's the Guardian's agenda here? Why does it remind me of Monbiot's disappointing stance in specific areas?
What's the Guardian's agenda here? Why does it remind me of Monbiot's disappointing stance in specific areas?
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I think what I'm trying to say is please don't forget the classic 'divide and rule' folks.
We can stand with wikileaks without unquestioningly believing that Assange is definitely innocent, but you can also believe that until Assange gets a guarantee that he won't be extradited on an entirely different matter, he shouldn't have to return to Sweden.
We can stand with wikileaks without unquestioningly believing that Assange is definitely innocent, but you can also believe that until Assange gets a guarantee that he won't be extradited on an entirely different matter, he shouldn't have to return to Sweden.
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This is the documentary made by Australian Broadcasting Corporation that has not been broadcast in the UK, the USA or Sweden. Far too many inconvenient truths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaUGB3s ... ture=share
46 minutes but it really spells out a very different story from that washing round our mass media.
46 minutes but it really spells out a very different story from that washing round our mass media.
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Is the transcript contained herein taken from that programme?biffvernon wrote:This is the documentary made by Australian Broadcasting Corporation that has not been broadcast in the UK, the USA or Sweden. Far too many inconvenient truths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaUGB3s ... ture=share
46 minutes but it really spells out a very different story from that washing round our mass media.
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Yes.
That Craig Murray was criticised for naming the women was bizarre. Orwell never made up the possibility that such twisting of reality could happen.
I really recommend that everybody watcher the ABC programme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaUGB3s ... ture=share
That Craig Murray was criticised for naming the women was bizarre. Orwell never made up the possibility that such twisting of reality could happen.
I really recommend that everybody watcher the ABC programme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaUGB3s ... ture=share
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+1biffvernon wrote:I really recommend that everybody watcher the ABC programme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaUGB3s ... ture=share
Spread the link amongst your contacts, asking them to watch it fully and then make up their own minds.
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For instance, from the comments:biffvernon wrote:That Craig Murray was criticised for naming the women was bizarre. Orwell never made up the possibility that such twisting of reality could happen.
You had absolutely no right to name her.
Given the facts outlined in the programme, some trolls are simply playing the holier-than-thou sexist card, for their own agenda. It's worth bearing in mind that Sophia Wilen would not sign the statement at the police station.Total wrong, I’m horrified you’re still defending your stupidity.
Issue a serious apology asap
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You've got to love this example of impartial reporting from the telegraph, regarding Murray.
Like going to lapdancing bars, leaving one's wife must surely mean he doesn't tell the truth.
The father-of-three, who left his wife of 20 years for a woman he met in a lap dancing club in Uzbekistan in 2003, also accused the BBC of hypocrisy.
Like going to lapdancing bars, leaving one's wife must surely mean he doesn't tell the truth.
I could be argued that leaving ones wife for the lapdancer is less hypocritical than staying with ones wife and wishing she was the lapdancer.extractorfan wrote:You've got to love this example of impartial reporting from the telegraph, regarding Murray.The father-of-three, who left his wife of 20 years for a woman he met in a lap dancing club in Uzbekistan in 2003, also accused the BBC of hypocrisy.
Like going to lapdancing bars, leaving one's wife must surely mean he doesn't tell the truth.
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It can take a long time, but justice can prevail eventually, as in the case of Guatemala, nearly 60 years after the CIA's antics there. Unfortunately, it doesn't bring back murdered innocent people.
Clues in police documents found in 2005 have exposed government repression during the 36-year war and provided enough evidence to start sending cases to trial. In January, a court sent former dictator Efraín Ríos Montt to face charges of genocide and crimes against humanity.
The internal conflict racked the central American country between 1960 and 1996, pitting a string of rightwing governments against leftist insurgents and leaving 200,000 people dead and 45,000 missing.
Prosecutors say that the large number of cases means they will never bring all the country's war criminals to justice.
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Excellent.biffvernon wrote:This is the documentary made by Australian Broadcasting Corporation that has not been broadcast in the UK, the USA or Sweden. Far too many inconvenient truths: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaUGB3s ... ture=share
46 minutes but it really spells out a very different story from that washing round our mass media.
Don't know who's worse, the Swedes or the Yanks.
Needs to be seen by as many people as possible.
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