Assange Watch

[emordnilap]

Craig Murray.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlt_IiQv ... ture=share

What a sensible man. And no notes, by the look of it.

[UndercoverElephant]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/au ... sange-rape

The Respect MP concluded by declaring: "I think the whole thing is a setup. I don't understand how so many of you can't see that. If he did these things, he's a rat. But the United States empire, the British empire, the imperial system that around the world is slaughtering human beings by the million, cutting their throats, starving them to death, leaving them to die of poverty and avoidable disease in their millions, is a much bigger rat, no? Imperialism is a much bigger rat than Julian Assange, no? So why would you want Assange to be delivered to the United States and silenced for ever, unless you were on the side of empire."

I think we can rely on Mr Galloway!

[Little John]

The industrially driven growth of the last 200 years or so is drawing to a close as we hit the global resource buffers. The party is over and our economies are starting to collapse. However, our elites know full well the hard times to come and at the same time as shoring up their own wealth and power at the expense of the impoverishment of the majority, they are also putting in place the tools of repression that they know they will need when the people start to really kick off, as they are now doing all around the world. The front line of attack on free speech itself. Assange, Manning and others like them are on that front line.

This is the beginning of a war between the people and those who rule them.

Agreed. And it's a war run on massively unequal terms (what isn't these days?) - and pretty soon the best paid, most attractive jobs for young men will be of a military nature; indeed, judging by the numbers of people willing to oppress their own neighbours, it's already happening.

How may years before posting on a place like this becomes a not too clever thing to do?

Not many judging by the pace of the clawing back of civil liberties and the capacity for free speech we are currently witnessing.

Perhaps it might have been wiser to have used a pseudonym when posting on these forums instead of leaving a paper trial, thousand of posts long on God knows how many forums. There for ever hovering in the ether for someone to use against me in the years to come.

f*ck it...it's too late to worry about that now.

[UndercoverElephant]

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas ... m-decision

Supporters of Ecuador's President Rafael Correa hold posters showing WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange at the Main Square in Quito on Monday, August 20. Dozens of people gathered in the main square to show their support for the Ecuadorian government's decision to grant political asylum to Assange.

Erick Ilaquize/Reuters

[madibe]

maudibe wrote:

If the information (sources and distribution) needs to be severed from the people then it will be.



You think they can/will shut down the internet?

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Disinformation and information overload are of much more use at present (to the Overlords), since it keeps the wheels in motion without a larger civil unrest.



But those tactics are becoming steadily less effective as time goes by. All anybody actually has to do to find out what is really going on is to type the right questions into google and follow their nose. Right now only a small proportion of people are doing that, but as the global economic/political situation deteriorates, many more will join them.

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Coming back on topic, we can see this happening with the Asange situation. There is a whole raft of disinformation going on, enough to polarise public opinion. One could call it 'selective reporting'. Just the tip of the iceberg though.

So, if you can't physically take away peoples TV, radio, phones, i-pads, internet, gizzmos etc...then just fill them full of complete twaddle.


That may work for a while, but we still live in a democracy (albeit subject to the bankster/megacorporation conspiracy to usurp democratic power.) Ultimately, if the politicians continue to side with the conspirators instead of the public, they will be voted from office and replaced with people who currently considered to be "extremists" of one sort or another - people who are not scared of taking on the conspirators. Those conspirators are actually under attack from both the extreme left and the extreme right. In Europe, most of the attacks are coming from the left. In the US, the attacks are coming from the right (people like Ron Paul, and others who view Wall Street and the US Federal Government as being every bit as monstrous as those of us on the left do, even though they'd advocate a very different system to replace it.)

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Well UE - yes, I reckon that ultimately the internet can be 'shut down' for all intents and purposes - either that or rendered useless. One has to bear in mind who owns the servers, the uplinks, wires and satelites.

Perhaps not who owns...but who has a controlling influence.

One could look at the 'Arab Spring' and say, no way! If they could shut it down they would have...but of course, who's in control and what influenced the decision to keep it working, despite local efforts to censor the webs output? Yes, the USA where quite happy to have destabalisation of the regions. So connection was maintained.

Reckon that a satelite 'shutdown' would take out massive chunks of the web, along with forced off-lining of key servers (hubs) both in the USA and Europe. If all else fails, on a hostile terriotory, than a nice EMP would work.

Mobile phone networks can easily be jammed. TV controlled, ditto radio.

The main result of course would be that most of western civilisation would have a mental breakdown... have you ever seen someone under 30 who has lost their phone? security blankets Christ, if they can't tweet their mates to say what they had for lunch then civilisation fecking collapses.

Regarding the efficiency of information overload and disinformation... well, me and thee and all good folks here might see the transparency of it all, but believe me, most don't.

If the tabloid press and t' interweb say 'somethink' then it's gotta be true, innit?

Sorry, but it is a known fact that 99% of all humanoid lifeforms are thick as pigshit. Thank god for us 1 percenters

[emordnilap]

How may years before posting on a place like this becomes a not too clever thing to do?

Too late mate.

They know who and where you are. This site is higher in the charts than the number of posters would merit. Befriend a good lawyer! (Is that an oxymoron?)

Fúck 'em. They can't take everyone out. Can they?

If I see an unfamiliar vehicle at the gate, I go out to meet them. During daylight hours, I pick up a sickle on the way and make it look like I'm innocently slashing weeds. At night, a really bright torch and a cudgel is necessary. I'm not paranoid - there are dodgy characters around that don't even belong to a militia.

[JohnB]

Shutting down the internet would shut down much of big business and government too, as so much is done online nowadays. So it would have to be selective, rather than everything.

[biffvernon]

Handy crib sheet:

[Little John]

Handy crib sheet:

outstanding Biff. Please provide a link to the original text if you can, though, so I can copy and paste in various locations on the net.

[Little John]

I’ve re-typed the fact sheet out for anyone who wants to copy and paste on other sites.

Assange Extradition facts:

1) Julian Assange is not charged with anything in Sweden or any other country.
2) Julian Assange did not flee Sweden to avoid Questioning. He was given permission to leave the country on the 15th September 2010, after remaining 5 weeks in Sweden for the purpose of answering the allegations made against him.
3) The case against Julian Assange was initially dropped, and deemed so weak it could not warrant investigation. After the intervention of a Swedish politician close to American diplomats, it was revived by a different prosecutor.
4) In all instances, the 3 plaintiffs consented to sexual intercourse, which they did not take the initiative to stop: they never expressed non-consent and afterwards declared to not have felt threatened by Julian Assange.
5) A condom submitted as evidence by complainant AA, who claimed it had been deliberately torn by Julian Assange during sexual intercourse, contains no chromosomal DNA from either the complainant or Julian Assange.
6) Text messages exchanged between complainants and their friends contradict the factual allegations in the European arrest warrant (EAW) issued for Julian Assange and cast doubt on the allegations.
7) After the date of the alleged sexual misconduct: a) Complainant AA created then deleted evidence (tweets) indicating that she was enjoying Julian Assange's company: b) AA went as far as suggesting one of her friends (Witness C) should be intimate with Julian Assange as well.
8.) The law firm hired in the Assange investigation is run by Claes Borgstrm (politician and legal representative for both plaintiffs) and by former minister Thomas Bodsrtm. Both are members of the Social Democrat Party in Sweden. Bodstrm is a friend of police interrogator Irmeli Krans, who interrogated complainant SW.
9) Police interrogator Irmeli Krans is, in turn, friends with the other plaintiff, complainant AA, with whom she has political ties (Social Democrat Party). Krans also breached protocol by commenting negatively about Julian Assange on social media.
10) Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, refused to provide Julian Assange or his lawyers with information on the allegations against him in writing. This violates the Swedish Code of Procedure (RB 23:18.) and the European Convention of Human Rights (article 5) and the EU Fundamental Charter on Human Rights. Prosecution also refused all voluntary offers for cooperation that fit under the Mutual Legal Assistance Protocol, such as making use of alternative methods to interview Julian Assange.
11) Both the EAW and the Interpol red-notice were issued for Julian Assange by Sweden just before Wiki leaks began to publish Cablegate.
12) The allegations against Julian Assange do not constitute an offence in Australia or the UK.
13) If extradited to Sweden; still without charge, Juylian Assange would be held incommunicado and placed under solitary confinement. Pre-trial detention would last for an indefinite period. The trial in Sweden would be held in secret.
14) The Swedish legal system features lay judges who are appointed because of their political affiliation. They have no formal legal training.
15) Sweden has the highest per capita rate of cases brought to the European Court of Human Rights relating to article 6.1 (right to a fair trial)

[biffvernon]

Nice work.

I got it as a picture posted on facebook at
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 6498_n.jpg

so I'm not sure where it came from other than the Occupy logo bottom right.

[madibe]

John B wrote:

Shutting down the internet would shut down much of big business and government too, as so much is done online nowadays. So it would have to be selective, rather than everything.

Not really... if it comes to it, business can go screw for a while. Government has other secure channels / networks that can be employed whilst the general public have no access.
Really big business / finance can afford their own uplinks, sats and peer to peer networks, totally capable of being disconnected from the www and fully functional.
Things have moved on since the cold war requirements of the www to provide communication in the event of armageddon. It's interesting.

[biffvernon]

Really? Just think about how much of our daily lives now depends on the Internet. If it shut down everything would be very different very quickly.

[UndercoverElephant]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/ ... 6454565612

THE United States has denied Julian Assange's assertion that Washington was orchestrating a "witch-hunt" for him, saying the WikiLeaks founder was making "wild" claims to deflect attention.

In his weekend balcony address, 41-year-old Assange accused the US Government of a witchhunt against himself and his Wikileaks supporters.

But the US Government hit back saying the case had nothing to do with them and was solely a matter for Sweden and Britain and now Ecuador which had chosen to "insert" itself into the fracas.

"He is making all kinds of wild assertions about us when in fact his issue with the government of the United Kingdom has to do with whether he's going to face justice in Sweden for something that has nothing to do with WikiLeaks, it has to do with charges of sexual misconduct," State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said.

"He is clearly trying to deflect attention away from the real issue, which is whether he's going to face justice in Sweden."

No mention of this from the BBC, of course.

The world is watching YOU now, Auntie Beeb.

[madibe]

Really? Just think about how much of our daily lives now depends on the Internet. If it shut down everything would be very different very quickly.

Oh yes indeedee.

It would be quite revolutionary, shall we say.