Superrich buying farmland - the ultimate 'hard asset'

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 15 Aug 2012, 16:49

There's not very much difference between the far right and the far left really. Hitler - Stalin: compare and contrast. The end result was pretty much the same; millions dead.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 15 Aug 2012, 17:03

Still waiting for postie or one of you people who habitually call me names to give me a apology .

Your get no apology from me.

I never said what you said was a lie. I just said your a**e hole cause thats what i think you are.

The only time i really see you comment on here is when its to do with black people, africans, immigrants etc (except the odd occasion). They commited this they commited that .....

White people, black people, asian people all races and colours of people commit hideous crimes all of the time.

At the same time we (white, black, asian ..) all conduct great acts of kindness ... all of us!

Do you know why that is? its because in the end even with all our different cultures and different ways of life were all still humans and we share the very same characteristics and traits.

So instead of worrying and lecturing us about all the bad things the africans and blacks do how about you concentrate on all the hideous things us white people conduct in the western world on a daily basis.

extractorfan · Post by **extractorfan** » 15 Aug 2012, 17:16

Yeah, but you can't beat the blood gore and horror of muti killings.

Hardens ones attitude I suppose.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 15 Aug 2012, 17:40

extractorfan wrote:Yeah, but you can't beat the blood gore and horror of muti killings.

Hardens ones attitude I suppose.

A death is a death to me (or should i say murder).

Weather thats a man walking into a cinema and shooting random innocent adults and children or a man kidnapping a person and torturing them before finally killing them. They have the same end result as muti killings which is an innocent life (or lives) lost by ones act of evilness.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 15 Aug 2012, 17:41

I think J2M was just pointing out the stupidity of investing vast sums of money in land in politically unstable areas where the investor might have to keep hold of that land by force. He just pointed out some corroborated evidence to support his assertion, unpalatable to the politically correct as it might be. It might make him a realist but it doesn't make him racist or right wing.

White people might do awful things but these are pointed out on a regular basis in the white owned press as this is the politically correct thing to do. We whites must beat our chests while chanting" Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!" We might have made a lot of money out of the slave trade but the origins of it were in a pre existing slave trade among warring African tribes and Arab traders. Why should we feel guilt about what our great, great, great, great grandfathers might have done if there's no guilt attributed to those Africans and Arabs at the source of the trade. By today's standards it is wrong but then we have got oil to do our slave work.

Nowadays you can only plead innocence to abuse of the underprivileged or the environment if you don't use anything that is manufactured using oil, metals, plastics or half a dozen other resources or most bought food because they are all produced in ways that damage people or their, and our, environment. So get real people and start chanting and beating your breast.

Getting back to the thread, it is also interesting to note that much of the land is being bought from other super rich people who are now getting out having, probably, realised that they could only hang onto the land by force. Also it is a classic bubble situation, as is the stock market. It's money buying in in the hope that the will get out with a profit before the bubble bursts. The canny will but most won't and will lose almost everything.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:10

Agreed Kenneal.

I also think that elements of the rich investing in land in Africa operate under the assumption that the current 'rules of the game' in a globalised neo-liberal rule will continue into the future.

I think this is a wrong assumption to make and that at some point, a process of de-globalisation will occur and markets will become more fragmented, state-centric and based on force rather than money.

As Kenneal says, future African governments will be unlikely to agree to these deals with Western investors and so unless you have a credible military force to back up your land investments than you will probably lose your money and land.

It is slightly different with State or state-backed land investments by the Chinese and Arabs for example as there is a distinct possibility that a Chinese, Indian or Saudi government in the future would intervene to ensure that their land investments were protected in the event of a revolution or change of government in Africa.

I do think that the general trend towards acquiring land will continue but the 'smart money' will focus on places like the USA, Canada, Europe and maybe parts of Asia, Latin America.

nexus · Post by **nexus** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:11

Hodson wrote:

White people, black people, asian people all races and colours of people commit hideous crimes all of the time.

At the same time we (white, black, asian ..) all conduct great acts of kindness ... all of us!

Do you know why that is? its because in the end even with all our different cultures and different ways of life were all still humans and we share the very same characteristics and traits.

So instead of worrying and lecturing us about all the bad things the africans and blacks do how about you concentrate on all the hideous things us white people conduct in the western world on a daily basis.

+1 Nicely put.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:14

Lord Beria3 wrote:It is slightly different with State or state-backed land investments by the Chinese and Arabs for example as there is a distinct possibility that a Chinese, Indian or Saudi government in the future would intervene to ensure that their land investments were protected in the event of a revolution or change of government in Africa.

That's why China and India are building/acquiring aircraft carriers and substantial navies.

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:22

hodson2k9 wrote:So instead of worrying and lecturing us about all the bad things the africans and blacks do how about you concentrate on all the hideous things us white people conduct in the western world on a daily basis.

No!! How about concentrating on ALL the hideous things that go on in the world? The colour of your skin doesn't make what you do any less bad. That's the racist thinking that allowed slavery and discrimination.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:32

kenneal - lagger wrote:
hodson2k9 wrote:So instead of worrying and lecturing us about all the bad things the africans and blacks do how about you concentrate on all the hideous things us white people conduct in the western world on a daily basis.
No!! How about concentrating on ALL the hideous things that go on in the world? The colour of your skin doesn't make what you do any less bad. That's the racist thinking that allowed slavery and discrimination.

Lol

Exactly my point!!

Read the whole post properley instead of trying to find faults in which to argue against! My writing skills are certainly not the best but sureley you can see thats the whole point in my post!!

White people, black people, asian people all
races and colours of people commit hideous
crimes all of the time.

At the same time we (white, black, asian ..) all
conduct great acts of kindness ... all of us!

Do you know why that is? its because in the
end even with all our different cultures and
different ways of life were all still humans and
we share the very same characteristics and
traits.

You not see it no?

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:46

The only reason this:

So instead of worrying and lecturing us about
all the bad things the africans and blacks do
how about you concentrate on all the hideous
things us white people conduct in the western
world on a daily basis.

Was said is cause j2m is constantly talking about all the crimes commited in africa etc.

My point is there are just as much and equal crimes commited closer to home!

You should direct your obviously wrong comment to a person more like j2m than me as he clearly (and when i say clearly i dont just mean what was said in this thread im talking about all his comments on this forum since ive joined) thinks crimes commited by blacks and africans are worse than crimes commited by white people and westerners.

From my above posts on this thread i clearly think the opposite and think that all crimes are equal weather commited by any person regardless of colour, culture or even religion.

Now i dont think i can make my feelings on the matter any more clearer.

But from your comment above i get the feeling you will still find something written in my post in which you can attack! I hope im wrong and a simple misunderstanding was made.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:48

hodson2k9 wrote:
White people, black people, asian people all
races and colours of people commit hideous
crimes all of the time.

At the same time we (white, black, asian ..) all
conduct great acts of kindness ... all of us!

Do you know why that is? its because in the
end even with all our different cultures and
different ways of life were all still humans and
we share the very same characteristics and
traits.
You not see it no?

I'm buying a house in Wales. I don't expect Welsh people to chop my genitals off or torture my wife to death, hoping she dies screaming to give more power to their magical Welsh Rarebit.

You not see the difference, no ?

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:52

hodson2k9 wrote:My point is there are just as much and equal crimes commited closer to home!

Rubbish, why do you think white South Africans are leaving in such high numbers ? It's because they're getting murdered over there.

Check out the genocide-watch link I posted earlier.

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:56

Catweazle wrote:
hodson2k9 wrote:
White people, black people, asian people all
races and colours of people commit hideous
crimes all of the time.

At the same time we (white, black, asian ..) all
conduct great acts of kindness ... all of us!

Do you know why that is? its because in the
end even with all our different cultures and
different ways of life were all still humans and
we share the very same characteristics and
traits.
You not see it no?
I'm buying a house in Wales. I don't expect Welsh people to chop my genitals off or torture my wife to death, hoping she dies screaming to give more power to their magical Welsh Rarebit.

You not see the difference, no ?

No i suspect not but there is a chance that when you leave the house one morning a welsh phsycopath could break in and either kidnap your wife rape her then chop off her fingers or toes as a trophy before killing her and then leaving her body in the woods for a old man walking his dog to find.

Or quite as easily a welsh gang of robbers could break in tie you and your wife up rob your house of all there possesions just so they can get some drugs or buy a new pair of trainers then set fire to it leaving you both to burn to death!!

You not see the difference, no? ..... Well no actually i dont!

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 15 Aug 2012, 18:58

Catweazle wrote:
hodson2k9 wrote:My point is there are just as much and equal crimes commited closer to home!
Rubbish, why do you think white South Africans are leaving in such high numbers ? It's because they're getting murdered over there.

Check out the genocide-watch link I posted earlier.

No thanks im not interested i see enough hideous crimes and murders commited over here thank you very much!