the frack thread

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 01 May 2012, 05:52

Me-think the Earth has the pox?

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 01 May 2012, 08:03

Anyone know where that fracking picture is of? I don't think it is Lancashire (yet).

Post by **clv101** » 01 May 2012, 08:51

biffvernon wrote:Anyone know where that fracking picture is of? I don't think it is Lancashire (yet).

Google's search by image is good for this. Apparently it's western Wyoming:
http://blog.skytruth.org/2011/04/fracki ... r-not.html

These from northeastern Utah:

http://www.situstudio.com/blog/2010/10/ ... racturing/

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 01 May 2012, 09:04

biffvernon wrote:Anyone know where that fracking picture is of? I don't think it is Lancashire (yet).

It looks like a picture I saw a while ago of Wyoming.

I prefer some of the adbusting-type montages that are being produced at the moment, such as the reworking of the famous painting, American Gothic --

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 01 May 2012, 09:36

A few pictures should bring home to people who aren't aware how destructive fracking is. (I admit I have only just seen them) It is nauseating, and the people in government who think it's ok should get some treatment for their affliction asap.

In another article for which I have lost the link it said West Virginia is no longer almost heaven.

Pinedale Wyoming is not so bad, http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl (you need to type in "pinedale wyoming" then zoom out a bit).

A company trying to give a positive spin on their trashing operations. It's big stuff too http://www.marcellus-shale.us/MARCELLUS-AIR.htm

http://www.crystalbard.co.uk/decombustion/?p=687

The CEO of Cuadrilla Resources, the company operating near Blackpool where recent earthquakes have been attributed to their fracking operations, has admitted that “You never have control. Fractures will always go into the path of least resistance.” [6]Another expert has explained that the attempt to crack the shale predictably is like “trying to hammer a dinner plate into equal pieces”.[7

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 01 May 2012, 20:00

I've sent the picture to the Sunday Telegraph, whose correspondent, Christopher Booker, is violently against wind turbines and advocates shale gas, to ask then if Mr Booker knows what he is advocating.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 01 May 2012, 21:15

Pinedale Wyoming - that is one seriously messed up place. and just outside the Yellowstone National Park. Bit like Lancashire and the Lake District then.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 08 May 2012, 11:36

For some reason, this petition has taken on a new lease of life, with four or five people signing every minute.

I'm trying to find out what's made it gee up, after such a slow start (it was posted 1/3/2012).

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 May 2012, 17:48

Take note and learn from others' experiences.

"Under a new law, doctors in Pennsylvania can access information about chemicals used in natural gas extraction -- but they won't be able to share it with their patients. A provision buried in a law passed last month is drawing scrutiny from the public health and environmental community, who argue that it will "gag" doctors who want to raise concerns related to oil and gas extraction with the people they treat and the general public."

The magazine continues: "A 2010 congressional investigation revealed that Halliburton and other fracking companies had used 32 million gallons of diesel products, which include toxic chemicals like benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene, in the fluids they inject into the ground. Low levels of exposure to those chemicals can trigger acute effects like headaches, dizziness, and drowsiness, while higher levels of exposure can cause cancer."

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 22 May 2012, 17:51

emordnilap wrote:For some reason, this petition has taken on a new lease of life, with four or five people signing every minute.

I'm trying to find out what's made it gee up, after such a slow start (it was posted 1/3/2012).

This is the answer I got from Avaaz:

This petition is taking off as it's turning into a hot issue in Ireland, and Avaaz has been working closely with the creator on the petition -- including sending it out to some of our Irish members.

Getting Avaaz firmly behind your petition - as opposed to simply hosting it - makes a huge difference.

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 23 May 2012, 22:28

Shale gas realities continue to disrupt the hype
Robert Magyar, Philadelphia Energy Examiner, 23rd May 2012

Bad news keeps coming to the shale gas industry. Chesapeake Energy and its founder Aubrey McClendon are embroiled in management and financial turmoil which is shaking the company to its core. It’s frantically maneuvering to sell off asset base to pay off billions in debt. Its market cap is disappearing quickly while its founder is on the defensive. Shareholders are in revolt. The SEC is investigating the company’s financial arrangements as Moody’s and Fitch have downgraded the company’s credit rating.

The company is the 2nd largest shale gas development company in North America.

Legendary Oklahoma oil and gas man, T. Boone Pickens sold his 571,000 shares of Chesapeake in the first quarter of this year completely eliminating his financial position in the company. Vermont’s governor just signed into law H.464, the nation’s first outright state ban on shale gas fracking based on the unknown environmental impacts. North Carolina now has a moraturium in place until 2014 as it attempts to put proper regulatory and oversight programs in place.

{SNIP}

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 24 May 2012, 11:00

Dmitry Orlov has put together an impressive piece about the shale gas bubble here. Well worth a read; intelligent, honest and enlightening.

the_lyniezian · Post by **the_lyniezian** » 24 May 2012, 19:41

Video on one American farmer couple's experiences with a gas extraction plant on their doorstep:

http://keeptapwatersafe.org/2012/05/24/ ... and-wayne/

Right, any thoughts I had about fossil fuel extraction actually being able to not cause problems once in a while seems to be going out of the window fast...

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 20 Jun 2012, 14:46

emordnilap wrote:Dmitry Orlov has put together an impressive piece about the shale gas bubble here. Well worth a read; intelligent, honest and enlightening.

He's provided a link (11MB pdf) to one of his major sources here.

Any nerd care to browse it?

AnOriginalIdea · Post by **AnOriginalIdea** » 21 Jun 2012, 00:10

emordnilap wrote:Dmitry Orlov has put together an impressive piece about the shale gas bubble here. Well worth a read; intelligent, honest and enlightening.

Yes....American shale gas is comprised of nitrogen, and the big bad gas companies hide this secret from the American peoples. Except that they then burn the gas, and it isn't nitrogen. I wonder why this part isn't mentioned, because the nitrogen part of the story is so engaging?