Keeping the boat afloat - encouraging panic buying?

madibe · Post by **madibe** » 18 Apr 2012, 00:27

As a serious aside...

Because most of our records are now digital, they will be lost. All the data from the end of the current civilisation will be as if it never existed.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 18 Apr 2012, 09:29

Hmm.. Perhaps we need a local community time-capsule initiative. Could be the only forms of record remaining would be geo-caching boxes and time capsules.

I converted part of my garage to an extra room a few years ago, and deliberately placed a copy of the daily newspaper under the floor.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 18 Apr 2012, 18:24

Tarrel wrote:Hmm.. Perhaps we need a local community time-capsule initiative. Could be the only forms of record remaining would be geo-caching boxes and time capsules.

I converted part of my garage to an extra room a few years ago, and deliberately placed a copy of the daily newspaper under the floor.

Thats actually a very good idea.

I have a big collection of physical books. I have no intention of EVER getting a kindle, in case if we do see a civilisational crash, I hope my little library might survive for future generations to take advantage of.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 18 Apr 2012, 18:50

Ditto my vinyl collection

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 18 Apr 2012, 18:52

Erm, yes, the topic...well, I did my bit for UK PLC (pron: "pillock") today by buying 150 2ndclarse stamps for sending out the subversive newsletter

Keela · Post by **Keela** » 18 Apr 2012, 20:32

Lord Beria3 wrote:
I have a big collection of physical books. I have no intention of EVER getting a kindle, in case if we do see a civilisational crash, I hope my little library might survive for future generations to take advantage of.

I have both. I bought the kindle in the first place because I had found some pdf books I wanted to read - and after reading the first one (on breeding potatoes of all things) on the computer I decided I needed something better. The kindle has been great for that.

I buy books for it at £1 or two at a time and I always have something to read. When I'm tired I make the font bigger.

I have a load of physical reference books, but for general interest reading of materials that I don't necessarily want to keep as hard copy - the Kindle is fantastic. I have probably read almost a book a week since getting it over a year ago - many of then freebees.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 18 Apr 2012, 23:21

Referring to the original question; "what's next to stimulate artificial growth?"

How about Tesco spending £1 billion to rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic while it slowly sinks? (Today Tesco announced a £1 billion investment in their UK stores to address their first drop in profits for 20 years).

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 18 Apr 2012, 23:33

Tarrel wrote:Referring to the original question; "what's next to stimulate artificial growth?"

How about Tesco spending £1 billion to rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic while it slowly sinks? (Today Tesco announced a £1 billion investment in their UK stores to address their first drop in profits for 20 years).

Yes, it appears they are planning to spend it on new colour schemes, wider isles and making things generally look a bit "nicer". I thought to myself how the heck is that going to increase their profits??? I mean is that going to make me want to spend more in Tescos?

Than I caught myself on and realised that I am not like most other people.....so what won't work with me, may well work with Mr and Mrs Joe Bloggs. I dunno.......

the_lyniezian · Post by **the_lyniezian** » 19 Apr 2012, 00:08

maudibe wrote:As a serious aside...

Because most of our records are now digital, they will be lost. All the data from the end of the current civilisation will be as if it never existed.

Yet there's probably more written down non-electronically than many ancient civilisations which fell had, though whether it's on paper which won't decay, is another matter. [And written stuff won't guarantee preservation- think of the Library of Alexandria...]

It is rather worrying what is going, though- even a few years ago, whilst studying at Durham (graduated in '06) many journals were going online, so no print editions in the library. How much stuff is on databases and the like, not in print reference books (and the reference library in my town seems to be not what it was before refurbishment) as well one wonders about.

Reminds me of that thing on the radio about how some cricketing almanac was still steadfastly continuing to bring out a print edition every year with loads of facts and figures, in the wake of calls that such a thing was out of date in this internet age. Not that when TSHTF people will care less about sports statistics, but just goes to show there are some things which aren't yet doomed...

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 19 Apr 2012, 09:44

snow hope wrote:
Tarrel wrote:Referring to the original question; "what's next to stimulate artificial growth?"

How about Tesco spending £1 billion to rearrange the deck furniture on the Titanic while it slowly sinks? (Today Tesco announced a £1 billion investment in their UK stores to address their first drop in profits for 20 years).
Yes, it appears they are planning to spend it on new colour schemes, wider isles and making things generally look a bit "nicer". I thought to myself how the heck is that going to increase their profits??? I mean is that going to make me want to spend more in Tescos?

Than I caught myself on and realised that I am not like most other people....so what won't work with me, may well work with Mr and Mrs Joe Bloggs. I dunno.......

And you shop in Tesco?

extractorfan · Post by **extractorfan** » 19 Apr 2012, 11:43

Let's face it, Tesco are really good at what they do, in the machiavellian sense

They will be around for a good while longer, squeezing suppliers and providing customers with an illusion of "value" into the distant future. They will possibly become known as The Establishment Strategic Consumption Operation.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 19 Apr 2012, 11:48

extractorfan wrote:Let's face it, Tesco are really good at what they do, in the machiavellian sense

They will be around for a good while longer, squeezing suppliers and providing customers with an illusion of "value" into the distant future. They will possibly become known as The Establishment Strategic Consumption Operation.

Tesco is the Ministry of Food in all but name.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 19 Apr 2012, 11:53

the_lyniezian wrote:
maudibe wrote:As a serious aside...

Because most of our records are now digital, they will be lost. All the data from the end of the current civilisation will be as if it never existed.
Yet there's probably more written down non-electronically than many ancient civilisations which fell had, though whether it's on paper which won't decay, is another matter. [And written stuff won't guarantee preservation- think of the Library of Alexandria...]

It is rather worrying what is going, though- even a few years ago, whilst studying at Durham (graduated in '06) many journals were going online, so no print editions in the library. How much stuff is on databases and the like, not in print reference books (and the reference library in my town seems to be not what it was before refurbishment) as well one wonders about.

I don't think it makes much difference. They'll be burning all books anyway, except for copies in the British Library, which no one will have access to except members of the Inner Party.

Tarrel · Post by **Tarrel** » 19 Apr 2012, 11:59

Some of their (Tesco's) techniques are predatory to be sure. Until last year our town had a mid-sized co-op on the edge of town, and a co-op convenience store on the high street, and that was it. This of course allowed several independent food stores to thrive quite comfortably on the high street.

Last year both Tesco and Asda were vying for planning permission to build on separate sites in the town. After much wrangling and appealing, Tesco won their application. Shortly afterwards, Asda also won permission and, would you believe, Tesco mounted a legal challenge to it.

We don't need two extra supermarkets in town, but I certainly wouldn't want Asda kept out just because Tesco say so.

(the final outcome was that Asda won the appeal, and construction started this week.)

The new Tesco, which opened last November, is one of their new "eco-stores", built on a timber frame, with lots of natural light. However their big "Tesco" sign and the floodlights in the car park and delivery area burn 24/7. Not quite sure how that makes it an Eco store.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 19 Apr 2012, 12:19

Tarrel wrote:Some of their (Tesco's) techniques are predatory to be sure. Until last year our town had a mid-sized co-op on the edge of town, and a co-op convenience store on the high street, and that was it. This of course allowed several independent food stores to thrive quite comfortably on the high street.

Last year both Tesco and Asda were vying for planning permission to build on separate sites in the town. After much wrangling and appealing, Tesco won their application. Shortly afterwards, Asda also won permission and, would you believe, Tesco mounted a legal challenge to it.

We don't need two extra supermarkets in town, but I certainly wouldn't want Asda kept out just because Tesco say so.

Too bad. That's how the world works.

I know a small town in Essex of 10000 people, where both Tesco and Sainsbury's put in bids to build stores at ridiculously inconvenient places that would have logjammed the whole town centre.

Both bids were rejected. Sainsbury's, however, moved into the building vacated by another supermarket chain.

Tesco bided their time and, hey presto, have just been granted permission to build somewhere else in the town.

You can't win against these people.

And yes, I do shop at Tesco because what's the f**king difference, everything's going to shit and why should I make life difficult for myself.

The new Tesco, which opened last November, is one of their new "eco-stores", built on a timber frame, with lots of natural light. However their big "Tesco" sign and the floodlights in the car park and delivery area burn 24/7. Not quite sure how that makes it an Eco store.

Would you even expect it to be?

Everything is propaganda, deception, bullshit.