leroy wrote:
D'you remember his missus wrote a piece in the paper about her feelings upon having a first child? It is on this forum somewhere back there. George was probably coerced into it like with the first one, or had very little say in the matter. You ever been in love with a woman Beria? I'm in my mid thirties and have had long relationships break up over my not wanting to have kids. Tbh, I kind of regret my decision in one case as I've never found someone as good and she's now happily married with two kids. I can see myself capitulating next time it happens, and I hope it does because things will be pretty lonely otherwise for the few years that we have left. We've had this discussion on here before, and someonesaid that their relationship would likely be over if they refused to have a 2nd child, and I don't think this is uncommon- its often not that hard for women to find someone more willing.
All very true. Once you get into your 30s you find that almost all women of your age want children - often quite desperately. My reluctance to start a family is partly why I am single (in addition to being a miserable git, of course).
Ludwig, it makes no difference if you have a kid or not. The world's population will overshoot and there will be a consequent retreat. It is coming. Ironically, those who will fare best under those circumstances will be the one's who have large familial networks on which they can rely. Singletons will be more likely to go to the wall. It's why poor people in poor countries have lots of kids.
stevecook172001 wrote:Ironically, those who will fare best under those circumstances will be the one's who have large familial networks on which they can rely. Singletons will be more likely to go to the wall.
Thanks Steve, you have a nice day too.
The main reason I never wanted kids is that I didn't want to create lives as fvcked up as mine has been. Peak Oil was perhaps the final decider, nothing more.
"We're just waiting, looking skyward as the days go down / Someone promised there'd be answers if we stayed around."
stevecook172001 wrote:Ironically, those who will fare best under those circumstances will be the one's who have large familial networks on which they can rely. Singletons will be more likely to go to the wall.
Thanks Steve, you have a nice day too.
The main reason I never wanted kids is that I didn't want to create lives as fvcked up as mine has been. Peak Oil was perhaps the final decider, nothing more.
If it's of any use for you to know, without going into details, my childhood was of the most f*cked-up kind imaginable Ludwig.
Nevertheless, I made it to adulthood, went on to meet a good and kind lass and we went on to produce a couple of kids, both of whom have had a good upbringing and so the shit has not carried on from parent to child. It stopped with me and will go no further.
It can be done Ludwig.
I should say, I already had a vague sense of unease in my twenties (in the eighties) about the world's population size and so had a vasectomy at twenty seven following the birth of my second kid. Knowing what I do now, I would have almost certainly had it done after the first one.
I should say, I already had a vague sense of unease in my twenties (in the eighties) about the world's population size and so had a vasectomy at twenty seven following the birth of my second kid. Knowing what I do now, I would have almost certainly had it done after the first one.
Ditto steve, i found out about PO etc in autumn of last year, by which time my partner was 8 months pregnant with my 2nd. If i would of found out sooner then i would only have the 1 child by now.
However as you say, my extra 1 child makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. So atleast i have had the experience of being a father to 2 beautiful kids and i can spend the last days of this civilisation with my family, which i would much prefer than being on my own.
"Unfortunately, the Fed can't print oil"
---Ben Bernake (2011)
stevecook172001 wrote:If it's of any use for you to know, without going into details, my childhood was of the most f*cked-up kind imaginable Ludwig.
Nevertheless, I made it to adulthood, went on to meet a good and kind lass and we went on to produce a couple of kids, both of whom have had a good upbringing and so the shit has not carried on from parent to child. It stopped with me and will go no further.
Ah, that's nurture. What about nature? I had a good upbringing, and I don't think I'd be a bad parent. But my family has a history of psychological problems. I don't want to pass those on; it wouldn't be fair.
"We're just waiting, looking skyward as the days go down / Someone promised there'd be answers if we stayed around."
stevecook172001 wrote:If it's of any use for you to know, without going into details, my childhood was of the most f*cked-up kind imaginable Ludwig.
Nevertheless, I made it to adulthood, went on to meet a good and kind lass and we went on to produce a couple of kids, both of whom have had a good upbringing and so the shit has not carried on from parent to child. It stopped with me and will go no further.
Ah, that's nurture. What about nature? I had a good upbringing, and I don't think I'd be a bad parent. But my family has a history of psychological problems. I don't want to pass those on; it wouldn't be fair.
That's fair enough. In which case, adopt and give a kid a good home. Alternatively, find a lass who is a single mum with a kid who is small enough that he/she will come to see you as their dad.
Or don't if it;s not what you want. What I am basically saying is that having a kid is an option even with your family background circumstances, if you want it.
stevecook172001 wrote:If it's of any use for you to know, without going into details, my childhood was of the most f*cked-up kind imaginable Ludwig.
Nevertheless, I made it to adulthood, went on to meet a good and kind lass and we went on to produce a couple of kids, both of whom have had a good upbringing and so the shit has not carried on from parent to child. It stopped with me and will go no further.
Ah, that's nurture. What about nature? I had a good upbringing, and I don't think I'd be a bad parent. But my family has a history of psychological problems. I don't want to pass those on; it wouldn't be fair.
That's fair enough. In which case, adopt and give a kid a good home. Alternatively, find a lass who is a single mum with a kid who is small enough that he/she will come to see you as their dad.
Or don't if it;s not what you want. What I am basically saying is that having a kid is an option even with your family background circumstances, if you want it.
And it is a bloody good experience too, that brings alot of enjoyment. It might even cheer you up! You grumpy git
"Unfortunately, the Fed can't print oil"
---Ben Bernake (2011)
hodson2k9 wrote:
And it is a bloody good experience too, that brings alot of enjoyment. It might even cheer you up! You grumpy git
He he. I see the logic, but I'm single and live in a small flat, and adopting children would just be more stress on top of my other mental stuff. You are right though. Seeing my nieces cheers me up... but then, I can hand them back
"We're just waiting, looking skyward as the days go down / Someone promised there'd be answers if we stayed around."
I adopted 2 kids. Very rewarding (but very stressful) experience. Still stressful on a more or less daily basis after 7 years... Single men with mental health issues are not normally top of the list with council adoption services...
Not sure I have avoided much in the way of population growth. If my kids had stayed with their parents, they would be dead by now and the parents in prison. As it is, they have produced (at least) 3 more children between them, the dad has no contact with any of his offspring, and the mum is once again single with two toddlers who are unlikely to get much of an education as she is a traveller.
hodson2k9 wrote:
And it is a bloody good experience too, that brings alot of enjoyment. It might even cheer you up! You grumpy git
He he. I see the logic, but I'm single and live in a small flat, and adopting children would just be more stress on top of my other mental stuff. You are right though. Seeing my nieces cheers me up... but then, I can hand them back
Ye i see your point regarding children! However a good woman could certainly turn that frown upside down! dont you think?
"Unfortunately, the Fed can't print oil"
---Ben Bernake (2011)
How many children a particular person has doesn't matter a jot. It's the overall fertility rate that counts, and that's below replacement level in all developed nations.
Monbiot is a journalist. He is paid to write stuff that people find interesting.
