MIT report: collapse by 2030

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mobbsey wrote:
JavaScriptDonkey wrote:If we ever reach the stage of a bread ration there will be trucks shipping people away in the night.
A-ha! Another fan of the film, Soylent Green?
Well yes but I was thinking more about Schindler's List.

Or Dr Who S3e11 - Turn Left.
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JavaScriptDonkey wrote:Well yes but I was thinking more about Schindler's List.
I think V for Vendetta is far superior on that front.

That doesn't really worry me. Given my previous history I'll be taken away in the first round of the "reclamation". If they can find me that is -- as I like living off the land and I've camped in many of Britain's wild and remote locations, and have friends/contacts living in those areas too, I've always fancied I'd end up like the Bielski brothers.
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I'm expecting to see minorities and non-conformists persecuted
Do you mean the people who don't conform to our tax regime, like the tax avoiding billionaire Philip Green?
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Phillip Green is unlikely to be persecuted, he is a conformist in that he avoids paying tax. People who post on Powerswitch are examples of non-conformists. Thinkers are a minority, and will be persecuted by the moronic tendency.
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mobbsey wrote: I've always fancied I'd end up like the Bielski brothers.
Sounds good to me...
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There is nowhere in the UK that offers the scale of protection available in the Polish forests.

What most people think of as wilderness is usually managed land.

However I'm sure you'll be the only person to try to live off the land by poaching and such at a time when every rabbit and mushroom will have someone claiming ownership. You'll be fine.
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Thanks for posting that link.

I agree that 2030 is a very important moment, as important as the current period we are entering into (2012 - 2015- the transition from BAU to Scarcity Industrialism).

I think that there is still scope for growth for certain parts of the world, even within the context of 'limits' of oil and so on, for anather twenty years or so but after that a rapid deteriation of the world going into the 2040s - which will either lead to global collapse (one region after anather - although I suspect that certain more isolated regions like South America could maintain a 'industrialised' civilisation into the second half of this century).

The big wild card is a 'transformational' technological emergence, like fusion which could transform the potential carrying capacity of the planet and lead to a new era of post-industrialised civilisation.

Unlike some here, I do not dismiss this possibility, but I think it could easily end in a collapse as well. I remain open minded.
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JavaScriptDonkey wrote:There is nowhere in the UK that offers the scale of protection available in the Polish forests.
That was before people were spatially desensitised by SatNav :wink:
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Great lecture by Richard Alley in the Smithsonian links provided above. Really good communication and useful ammunition for shutting up the climate change deniers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNxCqU9jbOM

:D
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