Army training to deliver petrol in case of strike action

[hodson2k9]

We should welcome this situation. It's a gentle warm-up for what's to come if Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz. Gives joe-public chance to get used to the idea.

Ye your right, cant help but wish it was the real thing though (shortages caused by peak oil). I cant wait to tell my partners parents "i told you so", especially her dad who is a lorry driver (he has already been laid off once this year but he still wont consider a career change) and still drives a Mitsubishi shogun (4x4) even though i have told him about Peak oil, but he just ridicules me, o well im sure that, that time is fast approaching.

[adam2]

I was just wondering if any one knows if they are already on strike as, all the petrol stations round where i live are all out of fuel?

No, not on strike yet.
The government have advised however that people fill up and the extra petrol thus sold has led to shortages.
Supplies should be ample in the next day or two, since once most motorists have filled up, demand should return to normal.
AT PRESENT any extra demand should be easily satisified.

[Tarrel]

Whether it's the real thing or not, it still illustrates how totally dependent we are on the stuff, both practically and emotionally. That's the message that people really need to wake up to. Over-dependence on anything is a risky situation to be in, whether it is in abundance or scarce.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but can't help wondering whether this is a ploy by the government to prepare us for these kind of situations. Like an exercise that seems real, until you are told later that "it was only a drill".

The only other explanation is that the Govt. has the collective intelligence of a turd, which is worrying.

[extractorfan]

I thought it was the first bit of sensible advice I've heard the government give since.....erm......ever

In fact I was shouting at Jon Snow on Channel 4 news for blathering on about the "illegal" stockpiling of a 20 ltr can of fuel. I've not lost my rag with the telly for ages.

What the .gov advised was totally reasonable. If you thinnk there may be a supply disruption at some point in the future, and you are dependent on said supply, create yourself a buffer zone. So perfectly acceptable, I thought I was dreaming.

From today's daily mash

Mr Maude said: "I got a right load of shit from everyone yesterday but it turns out I was absolutely spot on.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 203295075/

[extractorfan]

I cant wait to tell my partners parents "i told you so",

I think you'll be disappointed to learn that you won't get that "told you so" moment.

I first started talking to people about peak oil in 2003 when oil prices were around $30 bbl, now at over $100 I'm stil the crazy conspiracy theorist and there's no public thought about the real issue.

to hell with them..

[Ludwig]

Well, I just headed out to top up my tank well before midday, imagining I'd avoid the rush. I was nevertheless queueing for 20 minutes.

I hadn't properly been following the news and didn't realise that the strikers have to give 7 days' notice. In the light of that, the Government's advice to stock up now was disingenuous. I imagine they want to maximise the chaos to turn opinion against the strikers.

[Tarrel]

I thought it was the first bit of sensible advice I've heard the government give since.....erm......ever

Might have been handy to boost the supply chain before unleashing the demand though. One petrol station owner talking on the news this lunchtime said he has run out of fuel, and his next delivery isn't until next Tuesday.

I don't think it's the advice that's at fault. It is the way it has been released in such a haphazard way.

(Halfords are reporting jerry can sales up 460%, which I guess isn't a bad thing, as it all adds to the "padding" in the supply chain from refinery to car.)

IIRC, the limit on holding petrol in a domestic garage is 10 litres. No limit on diesel. Stand to be corrected on that though.

[extractorfan]

Well, I just headed out to top up my tank well before midday, imagining I'd avoid the rush. I was nevertheless queueing for 20 minutes.

I hadn't properly been following the news and didn't realise that the strikers have to give 7 days' notice. In the light of that, the Government's advice to stock up now was disingenuous. I imagine they want to maximise the chaos to turn opinion against the strikers.

Even if the motive was as you say, it's still god [edit: good advice ]advice in the end.
The car is more efficient with a full tank than an empty one and now you get to drive past the queue's until you see a station where there aren't queue's and can just keep it topped up, something I do anyway, I didn't have to queue because there was no queue on the way to work this morning, although there was a big one last night.

[Ludwig]

I cant wait to tell my partners parents "i told you so",

I think you'll be disappointed to learn that you won't get that "told you so" moment.

I first started talking to people about peak oil in 2003 when oil prices were around $30 bbl, now at over $100 I'm stil the crazy conspiracy theorist and there's no public thought about the real issue.

to hell with them..

Somebody (don't know the exact quote) once observed that new theories go through three stages: first they're ignored, then they're ridiculed, then everyone makes out they accepted them all along.

At some point the public will get it, and our "told you so"s will just be ignored.

[extractorfan]

Might have been handy to boost the supply chain before unleashing the demand though.

I don't think the .gov has the ability to do this. Private companies do though.

In 2000 the government said "don't panic buy" and said nothing about the comming blockade until it happened. Loads of people were left without fuel because the stations actually did run out with an unknown resupply date, while people just had their usual £10 in the tank.

Hell, they're getting so much bad press about this, they should use peak oil to distract attention from this supposed bad PR, then watch the S really HTF.

[adam2]

IIIRC, the limit on holding petrol in a domestic garage is 10 litres. No limit on diesel. Stand to be corrected on that though.

I believe that the limit on domestic storage of petrol is 10 litres in purpose made plastic containers, each holding no more than 5 litres.
OR 20 litres in purpose made metal containers each holding no more than 10 litres.
(it has been suggested that due to an error in the way the regulations were drawn up, that a pedantic interpretation would permit of 10 litres in plastic containers AND another 20 litres in metal containers. This was however clearly NOT the intent of rules which are invariably considered to mean one OR the other and NOT both)
This applies to buildings such as sheds and garages that are situated within 6M of dwellings or other buildings, and also to vehicles parked near a building. The petrol in the fuel tank of the vehicle does not count.

I think that is illegal to store ANY petrol inside a dwelling, it is certainly unwise.

If storing petrol up to the permitted limit please take care, and if you decide to bend the rules, take even more care.
If one decides to keep petrol in excess of the permitted volumes, this should be well concealed both from TPTB whilst times are normal, and from looters afterwards.
Large volumes of petrol make me nervous !

In certain restricted circumstances as much as 275 litres may be stored, but this is not allowed in the vast majority of domestic situations.
AFAIR the conditions for storage up to 275 litres include
6M away from any other building
6M away from any public right of way
6M away from any watercourse
And a variety of other rules regarding fire safety.

" I promise to pay the bearer on demand, at Fellbridge camp 100 gallons of petrol"

[Tarrel]

Thanks for the clarification. Is it different for diesel do you know?

[dmorm]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/201 ... CMP=twt_gu

Guardian interactive map of empty petrol stations.

http://t.co/xiLZFwUp Submit your info here

http://t.co/upP4CwkL

[Little John]

I didn't go and fill up this morning. The primary reason being I couldn't be arsed.

[Ludwig]

I didn't go and fill up this morning. The primary reason being I couldn't be arsed.

OK for some! When you live 12 miles from civilisation and there are no buses after 5pm, you can't help but be arsed.