Something disruptive may be happening

[woodpecker]

Any chance of a link to an article about said revolutionary apparatus so that we can judge for ourselves?

https://share.sandia.gov/news/resources ... gy-output/

So this, ahem, important work merits only a short piece in Physical Review Letters. Where's the submission for actual peer review publication? I mean, even research on the sex lives of cockroaches goes to peer review*.

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* http://www.sciencemag.org/content/307/5 ... 4.abstract

[fifthcolumn]

Not true. I've just spent thirty years hearing rumours about usable fusion technologies being just around the corner, and every previous time it has come to nothing, for one reason or another. I've now reached the point where I don't take them seriously, and I think that is how many other people also feel. I realise that one day one of these rumours may turn out to be the one which actually leads to a usable new technology, but I won't believe it till it actually happens.

That's actually my position too. It's just interesting that they're talking about achieving far beyond break even whereas previous pieces of marketing fluff have talked about maybe achieving break even.

[hodson2k9]

Not true. I've just spent thirty years hearing rumours about usable fusion technologies being just around the corner, and every previous time it has come to nothing, for one reason or another. I've now reached the point where I don't take them seriously, and I think that is how many other people also feel. I realise that one day one of these rumours may turn out to be the one which actually leads to a usable new technology, but I won't believe it till it actually happens.

That's actually my position too. It's just interesting that they're talking about achieving far beyond break even whereas previous pieces of marketing fluff have talked about maybe achieving break even.

Your following the wrong story mate, cold fusion/LENR has a far better chance of becoming a viable form of energy.

www.powerswitch.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20000

[Ludwig]

It's worth bearing in mind that most technological research is done by the military, not in universities. Some suggest that universities are deliberately thrown off the scent by influential people high up the academic hierarchy. (Robert O Becker's account of his struggle for funding to research bioelectricity certainly suggests this.)

These fusion rumours may turn out to be unfounded, but one shouldn't assume that what has hitherto been divulged to the public reflected the true state of the art.

[adam2]

MOVED TO NUCLEAR

I would agree that nuclear fusion, hot or cold seems rather improbable as a source of industrial amounts of electricity.

It is not actually impossible, unlike the various "run your car on water" scams and related fruit-loopery, but seems unlikely in the near or medium term.
As many others post, fusion has been researched into for decades and still does not work.

If it could be made to work economicly this would be a significant step forward, but it seems very unwise to count on or to expect this.

[hodson2k9]

fusion has been researched into for decades and still does not work .

Hot fusion has yes but cold fusion hasn't (apparently its impossible). Also hot fusion has received billions upon billions of funding for research, whereas cold fusion has received virtually zilch, even though many scientists including NASA, were able to reproduce the successful experiment of Pons and Fleishmann in 1989.

http://e-catsite.com/2012/01/27/nasa-and-lenr/

So even though scientist including NASA, were able to reproduce the p and f experiment, we were told that cold fusion/LENR was impossible and that no one could reproduce the p and f experiment which is obviously a lie. The question i ask myself is why has no government etc provided funding for cold fusion research knowing the above about nasa (surely its worth a little funding) yet they provide billions for hot fusion which has and always will be 50 years away?

If we are led to believe what we were told in the 80s then cold fusion is impossible yet there are hundreds of successful research papers showing otherwise http://www.lenr-canr.org/LibFrame1.html.

Now im not saying that cold fusion will ride to our rescue and become a commercially viable form of energy because i dont think it will, however it is rather strange that the one with the more realistic chance of becoming a viable form of energy is the one that receives the less (none) funding and is "impossible" to do (hot fusion is alot more impossible). One more thing i must add is NASA has only recently come clean on the fact they had successful tests in 1989 and on cold fusion/LENR altogether.

One final thought, if you was part of the fossil fuel industry (or benefited from it), and you had to choose between funding hot fusion, which has never broke even (as it requires high amounts of input energy) or cold fusion which has had hundreds of successful tests in the lab showing anomalous heat escaping (even though it may be minuscule its still a net energy gain) im sure we would all fund the 50 years away hot fusion.

[hodson2k9]

For people interested in the LENR/cold fusion story CERN (home to the large hadron collider) will be making a live presentation on LENR ( entitled Overview of Theoretical and Experimental Progress in Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) ) today at 16:30 Geneva time heres the link:

http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/

Im not sure if anything new will be said but just the fact that CERN is doing a presentation on it shows that LENR is starting to get taking seriously, just think where we could be with this technology if it wasn't suppressed in 1989.

[Little John]

fusion has been researched into for decades and still does not work .

Hot fusion has yes but cold fusion hasn't (apparently its impossible). Also hot fusion has received billions upon billions of funding for research, whereas cold fusion has received virtually zilch, even though many scientists including NASA, were able to reproduce the successful experiment of Pons and Fleishmann in 1989.

http://e-catsite.com/2012/01/27/nasa-and-lenr/

So even though scientist including NASA, were able to reproduce the p and f experiment, we were told that cold fusion/LENR was impossible and that no one could reproduce the p and f experiment which is obviously a lie. The question i ask myself is why has no government etc provided funding for cold fusion research knowing the above about nasa (surely its worth a little funding) yet they provide billions for hot fusion which has and always will be 50 years away?

If we are led to believe what we were told in the 80s then cold fusion is impossible yet there are hundreds of successful research papers showing otherwise http://www.lenr-canr.org/LibFrame1.html.

Now im not saying that cold fusion will ride to our rescue and become a commercially viable form of energy because i dont think it will, however it is rather strange that the one with the more realistic chance of becoming a viable form of energy is the one that receives the less (none) funding and is "impossible" to do (hot fusion is alot more impossible). One more thing i must add is NASA has only recently come clean on the fact they had successful tests in 1989 and on cold fusion/LENR altogether.

One final thought, if you was part of the fossil fuel industry (or benefited from it), and you had to choose between funding hot fusion, which has never broke even (as it requires high amounts of input energy) or cold fusion which has had hundreds of successful tests in the lab showing anomalous heat escaping (even though it may be minuscule its still a net energy gain) im sure we would all fund the 50 years away hot fusion.

Do you really think that if cold fusion (or hot fusion) were possible, given that our economies are currently falling apart across the globe due to, fundamentally, the rising cost of energy, that these exotic energy production technologies would not have been used already?

Now, don’t misunderstand me, human organisations are more than capable of suppressing information if they think it goes against their interests (See Michelangelo for details). However, it is not in Western governments’ interests to suppress viable technology for producing energy. Nor is it anywhere as easy to suppress such information for any significant length of time now with modern telecommunication as compared to centuries past.

The fact is, we humans love a simple narrative. It's why we have religion and other ideologies. It's also why it is equally tempting to construct a narrative that implies the world is run along intelligent lines (even if only for the benefit of a few).

Unfortunately, though, for the most part the world is not a run by genius Machiavellians for the benefit of a few. It's run by idiotic psychopaths for the benefit of a few. Which goes a long way to explaining why things tend to f*ck-up on a fairly regular basis

[clv101]

Do you really think that if cold fusion (or hot fusion) were possible, given that our economies are currently falling apart across the globe due to, fundamentally, the rising cost of energy, that these exotic energy production technologies would not have been used already?

I expect it's possible but I don't think the reason we're not using it is because of any conspiracy. It's just that we haven't figured it out yet. The Romans could have had electricity - it was possible, but they hadn't figured it out. They never did before their civilisation collapsed. The same might be true of our civilisation and fusion power.

[Little John]

Do you really think that if cold fusion (or hot fusion) were possible, given that our economies are currently falling apart across the globe due to, fundamentally, the rising cost of energy, that these exotic energy production technologies would not have been used already?

I expect it's possible but I don't think the reason we're not using it is because of any conspiracy. It's just that we haven't figured it out yet. The Romans could have had electricity - it was possible, but they hadn't figured it out. They never did before their civilisation collapsed. The same might be true of our civilisation and fusion power.

Oh no. I'm not saying that such technologies are not possible in principle. Frankly, I lack the education to be able to answer that either way with any confidence (though I will certainly echo others in noting that I have been told that hot fusion is "just around the corner" for most of my 48 years of life).

What I am saying is that if such technologies already existed they would have already been implemented somewhere.

[hodson2k9]

Do you really think that if cold fusion (or hot fusion) were possible, given that our economies are currently falling apart across the globe due to, fundamentally, the rising cost of energy, that these exotic energy production technologies would not have been used already?

Cold fusion IS possible (just like hot fusion is) have you not read any of my links?? Its been replicated in the LAB many times by NASA and the US navy among others. Weather it can be formed into a commercially viable energy form is a different question altogether. They cant use it yet as it is only in the testing stage and there still trying to figure out what the hell is happening.

Yes the economies are falling apart but that wouldn't really make a difference in my mind, the oil companies and bankers etc are still getting fat pay checks and profits so why would they care? As i have said before they will still be profiting when Peak oil truly hits home its the Joe average that will suffer not the 1%.

Now, don’t misunderstand me, human organisations are more than capable of suppressing information if they think it goes against their interests (See Michelangelo for details). However, it is not in Western governments’ interests to suppress viable technology for producing energy. Nor is it anywhere as easy to suppress such information for any significant length of time now with modern telecommunication as compared to centuries past.

They did suppress it in 1989 they led the world to believe that cold fusion was impossible and that no one could replicate the p and f experiment. We now know that was a lie and that many scientists replicated the experiment INCLUDING NASA. Its only now that NASA etc are coming out about the truth and thats mainly down to as you say modern telecommunication.

Steve i would just like to clarify that cold fusion is, for the moment, only possible in the lab. It is not a commercially viable form of energy (weather it can be i dont know) all im saying is if the world was told the truth in 1989 then we would of had 13 years to work on it. Yes some scientists have been working on it but because it was apparently "impossible" it has had very very little funding, if we would of spent billions on LENR instead of hot fusion then who knows we may have already had a commercially viable LENR reactor.

[hodson2k9]

However, it is not in Western governments’ interests to suppress viable technology for producing energy.

This implies that the governments are the ones in control of our world, i beg to differ. would it not also be in governments interests to print there own interest free money? Yet they hand over that privillage, to central banks like the federal reserve, who charge interest on that money created out of thin air.

For people who dont know the federal reserve is not government owned, it is independently run and ALL of its shareholders are private banks.

[hodson2k9]

However, it is not in Western governments’ interests to suppress viable technology for producing energy.

This implies that the governments are the ones in control of our world, i beg to differ. would it not also be in governments interests to print there own interest free money? Yet they hand over that privillage, to central banks like the federal reserve, who charge interest on that money created out of thin air.

For people who dont know the federal reserve is not government owned, it is independently run and ALL of its shareholders are private banks, none of its stocks are owned by the government.

[Mr. Fox]

Whether a 'conspiracy' or simply people guarding their own vested interests, the story of Dr. Eugene Mallove (who was chief science writer at MIT's news office) raises many questions...

www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf

Open Letter from Dr. Eugene Mallove

[hodson2k9]

Whether a 'conspiracy' or simply people guarding their own vested interests, the story of Dr. Eugene Mallove (who was chief science writer at MIT's news office) raises many questions...

www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf

Open Letter from Dr. Eugene Mallove

Yes Mr Fox, i have read something like this before about MIT and the hot fusion scientists, although not as comprehensive as this good find.