Iran and the West

[clv101]

It's wise to remember that Israel is around 250miles long by 20miles wide.

Not sure how anyone could nuke that without making a mess of the surrounding countries and large parts of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Nukes can be very small, with little radiation.

[BitSlice10101]

specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

Nit picking an old arguement does not change the aggressive purpose intended by him, does it.

You talk to me about how I believe propaganda fed by government and media, while at the same time you are gobbling up all his very own propaganda nom nom nom.

Guess what Mr Fox a number of translators cannot agree on wiped, cleared, vanished etc it goes on and on. Who cares?

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad could have cleared up the issue but chose not to..! Get it yet?

Lets get a measure of the man you are quick to defend and spread his hate crimes shall we.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... rsi-speech


‘Not for the first time, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has got everyone scrambling for their Farsi phrasebooks. The Iranian president did not describe the Holocaust as "ambiguous and dubious" in his speech to the UN conference on racism, as first reported. He dropped the phrase at the last minute, but not in time for it to be deleted from the English text handed out by his officials after he spoke. In either version, Mr Ahmadinejad is hard put to disguise the views of a crude anti-semite. And that colours how people see his remarks on the establishment of Israel’


Manipulative git Mr Fox?


You seem to think that most of country is too dumb to make up their own minds and you are the’ few’ who know the real truth. Thank god we have internet hero’s like you that have worked out what really happened on issues like 9/11


Ahmadinejad's stance is obvious why are you defending a warped man and a mute point? .


keep making excuses for him when we know his stance and try to gain cheap, popular anti Israel, USA bashing then go ahead you will have lots of friends on this site that dance to this tune.


Perhaps recent statements can changed to
'The straight of Hormuz will disappear trough the passage of time'



And no I don’t agree or believe the popular media or government propaganda of any side or country.


I feel like its time to drop the insults and stay on topic but not before I address the friendly fire incident that was never a friendly fire incident because its all a Zionist conspiracy, hang on why would they attack their own puppet country?

[woodburner]

I feel like its time to drop the insults and stay on topic.......

At last

Oops, not so fast, he hasn't finished

........... but not before I address the friendly fire incident that was never a friendly fire incident because its all a Zionist conspiracy, hang on why would they attack their own puppet country?

Bonkers

[BitSlice10101]

Or are you disputing the claims made by the USS Liberty veterans themselves?

Anyone could understand why they felt this way,
They are victims caught up in a confusing and intense war that was hanging on a knife edge.

Accident or Attack The jury is out on this issue.

Controversial issues during war time in 1967 don't make a full blown conspiracy that relates to issues decades later. Chalk and Cheese

I can see how you put 2+2 together and get 5

How does a Zionist controlled country like the USA as you believe it to be, get deliberately attacked by its master enlighten me?
Contradiction?

[BitSlice10101]

I feel like its time to drop the insults and stay on topic.......

At last

Oops, not so fast, he hasn't finished

........... but not before I address the friendly fire incident that was never a friendly fire incident because its all a Zionist conspiracy, hang on why would they attack their own puppet country?

Bonkers

Oh the irony is not lost here.

I know what side of the bonkers conspiricy fence you sit on then

[UndercoverElephant]

The decision (made by the US, and enforced by the US, with a supporting role by British ineptitude) to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine was the biggest strategic political mistake in human history. The existence of Israel is justified only Biblically, and the Biblical version of the history of the Jewish people is myth, not historical fact.

Yes, what Hitler did was a crime against humanity, not just the Jews. But two wrongs do not make a right.

[BitSlice10101]

It's wise to remember that Israel is around 250miles long by 20miles wide.

Not sure how anyone could nuke that without making a mess of the surrounding countries and large parts of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Nukes can be very small, with little radiation.

To even consider an attack of that nature the aggressor would have to ensure complete destruction (unlikely) the response by Israel would be extreme on all levels to say the least also economic & political implications
make this unlikely.

I predict something along the lines of operation shock and awe (iraq) x10 but never boots on the ground.

Results will be de-clawing of Iran followed by allot of empty sabre rattling.

Remember America has not been on a full war footing since the second world war so the term skirmish is probably more accurate

Iraq & Afganistan should be regarded as a skirmish also.

[DominicJ]

parroting the lie[/url] that Iran made 'threats of wiping Isreal [sic] off the face of the map', then had nothing to say when pointed in the direction of the facts,

"Wipe Israel off the map" was the translation used on the IRIB website.

Just sayin...

[UndercoverElephant]

It's wise to remember that Israel is around 250miles long by 20miles wide.

Not sure how anyone could nuke that without making a mess of the surrounding countries and large parts of the Eastern Mediterranean.

Nukes can be very small, with little radiation.

To even consider an attack of that nature the aggressor would have to ensure complete destruction (unlikely) the response by Israel would be extreme on all levels to say the least

I don't care for your threats. Neither will the Iranians.

The aggressor in this case is Israel and the US. Israel is not a victim state; it is a criminal state. It flaunts UN resolutions with impunity. It continues to try to grab even more territory it has no right to.

What the future holds for Israel I do not know. What I do know is that it should never have been allowed to come into existence in the first place. NOTE: this is not the same as saying "Wipe it off the map." It's not that simple. Three wrongs don't make a right either. We have to start from where we are.

[DominicJ]

We have to start from where we are.

And yet Iran and the arab leagues policy is to roll back the clock....

[Mr. Fox]

Thank god we have internet hero’s like you that have worked out what really happened on issues like 9/11

Calm down, Mr. Foamy, and wipe your chin.

the friendly fire incident that was never a friendly fire incident because its all a Zionist conspiracy, hang on why would they attack their own puppet country?

How does a Zionist controlled country like the USA as you believe it to be, get deliberately attacked by its master enlighten me?
Contradiction?

I really don't believe that you are so dim as to not understand the motives for launching a false flag attack - but just in case I'm wrong:

The press release for the BBC documentary film Dead in the Water states that new recorded and other evidence suggests the attack was a "daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack" to give America a reason to enter the war against Egypt. Convinced that that attack was real, President of the United States Lyndon B. Johnson launched nuclear-armed planes targeted against Cairo from a U.S. aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. The planes were recalled only just in time, when it was clear the Liberty had not sunk and that Israel had carried out the attack. An information source for the aircraft being nuclear-armed, James Ennes, later stated that he was probably wrong in his original book. According to Ennes, the planes were not nuclear-armed, but most likely armed with Bullpup missiles.[79] The video also provides hearsay evidence of a covert alliance of U.S. and Israel intelligence agencies.[80]

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a critic of the official United States Government version of events, chaired a non-governmental investigation into the attack on the USS Liberty in 2003. The committee, which included former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia James E. Akins, held Israel to be culpable and suggested several theories for Israel's possible motives, including the desire to blame Egypt and bring the U.S. into the Six Day War.[81]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Enlightened yet?

Now, my original question, which you appear to have carefully avoided answering, was:

do you doubt that these weasels are prepared to use false flag attacks on US warships in the course of such endeavours?

Could you please clarify your position without spurting forth a bunch of bizarre conjecture as to what I believe?

To be clear: I'm not interested on whether you think it likely, just whether you think it's possible - and if not, why?

[Mr. Fox]

I don't care for your threats. Neither will the Iranians.

The aggressor in this case is Israel and the US. Israel is not a victim state; it is a criminal state. It flaunts UN resolutions with impunity. It continues to try to grab even more territory it has no right to.

Well put.

Apartheid was unacceptable in SA, it is unacceptable in Israel/Palestine.

[biffvernon]

I find it quite difficult to decide which of the Israeli, Iranian or American governments is the more evil.

I tend to think American, because they ought to know better, but that in no way absolves the Iranian or Israeli governments

[Mr. Fox]

What about ours?

Thinking about it, the British Government have had a hand in all three!

Would the US have turned out the same had the British not tried so hard to cling on to the colony?

Israel? Balfour Declaration (then running away).

Iran? Churchill put up a fair slice of the money to fund the 1953 coup, ousting a secular, progressive Mosaddegh and installing the Shah to protect British oil interests (from Iranians).

If it wasn't for all that, Ahmadinejad might be designing bus routes or something.

Where's your sense of National Pride, man?

Seriously, though... Have you ever taken a look at the Iranian constitution?

[woodburner]

Seems a bit hollow http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-inf ... ion-3.html if the reports we receive are any way near true.