Iran and the West

moimitou · Post by **moimitou** » 17 Mar 2012, 20:18

http://www.collapsenet.com/free-resourc ... ttack-iran

War with Iran coming up?

What do you guys think?

moimitou · Post by **moimitou** » 17 Mar 2012, 20:29

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-navy ... muz-2012-3

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 18 Mar 2012, 00:55

Someone sent me this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufdw21ltc-8

..Which I was inclined to dismiss. Then I read about how the USS Enterprise has just embarked on her final voyage... Now I'm reading that they're jumping off the thing!

SleeperService · Post by **SleeperService** » 18 Mar 2012, 09:03

Mr. Fox wrote:Someone sent me this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufdw21ltc-8

..Which I was inclined to dismiss. Then I read about how the USS Enterprise has just embarked on her final voyage... Now I'm reading that they're jumping off the thing!

Big E may be on her final voyage but is still one of the most lethal pieces of military kit in service anywhere, excluding big nukes. She's in the centre of a battle group that is anything but obselete.

They may be itching to get a war going but not this way IMHO. IIRC one of these carriers can carry most of the warplanes the RAF has in service

They've got 10 more and two building

BitSlice10101 · Post by **BitSlice10101** » 18 Mar 2012, 10:54

Mr. Fox wrote:Someone sent me this today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufdw21ltc-8

..Which I was inclined to dismiss. Then I read about how the USS Enterprise has just embarked on her final voyage... Now I'm reading that they're jumping off the thing!

Wow Nice sources

Conspiricy loon websites are pure comedy.

Stick to the moon landings conspiricy, its more credible by far.

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 18 Mar 2012, 12:56

Hold on - aren't you the muppet who was parroting the lie that Iran made 'threats of wiping Isreal [sic] off the face of the map', then had nothing to say when pointed in the direction of the facts, other than to... attempt to make some lame slur about 'sources'?

Oh yes, that was you.

So do you do any other tricks?

Do you believe that the US/UK/Israeli axis of weasels isn't prepared to lie to and deceive us, fabricating justifications for 'Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances'?

Or do you doubt that these weasels are prepared to use false flag attacks on US warships in the course of such endeavours?

BitSlice10101 · Post by **BitSlice10101** » 18 Mar 2012, 15:37

Mr. Fox wrote:Hold on - aren't you the muppet who was parroting the lie that Iran made 'threats of wiping Isreal [sic] off the face of the map', then had nothing to say when pointed in the direction of the facts, other than to... attempt to make some lame slur about 'sources'?

Oh yes, that was you.

So do you do any other tricks?

Oh Dear, the thread was going down conspiricy theory lane with a touch of your kind of racist anti-zionist fantasies thrown in.

My point had been made and no one provided ANY evidence against the threats made against Israel.

Do you believe that the US/UK/Israeli axis of weasels isn't prepared to lie to and deceive us, fabricating justifications for 'Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances'?

Or do you doubt that these weasels are prepared to use false flag attacks on US warships in the course of such endeavours?

You wish this to be true don't you..!

Fantasy world again..!

....

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 18 Mar 2012, 15:42

BitSlice10101 wrote:My point had been made....

Maybe it had, but the post was confused enough the point wasn't clear. What was it?

BitSlice10101 · Post by **BitSlice10101** » 18 Mar 2012, 16:01

woodburner wrote:
BitSlice10101 wrote:My point had been made....
Maybe it had, but the post was confused enough the point wasn't clear. What was it?

It was about childish silly Zionist conspiricy theories that some people here are too quick to subscribe to with utter conviction, but zero credible evidence to back anything up.

Its kind of a religeous sect for intarweb idiots..!

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 18 Mar 2012, 16:11

BitSlice10101 wrote:
woodburner wrote:
BitSlice10101 wrote:My point had been made....
Maybe it had, but the post was confused enough the point wasn't clear. What was it?
It was about childish silly Zionist conspiricy theories that some people here are too quick to subscribe to with utter conviction, but zero credible evidence to back anything up.

Its kind of a religeous sect for intarweb idiots..!

Your points backed up by?????

Mr. Fox · Post by **Mr. Fox** » 18 Mar 2012, 16:33

Mr. Fox wrote:So do you do any other tricks?

I guess that's a 'no', then.

It's just lame slurs. "your kind of racist anti-zionist fantasies"?

specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time" for "sahneh-i ruzgar" or “arena of time.”

Washington Post

But hey, don't let reality stand in the way of your rabid regurgitating of hysterical propaganda.

But again, you're not really managing very well in articulating your 'point'.

What exactly is it that you think I 'wish to be true'?

Are you seriously disputing that we are not and have not been lied to regarding justifications for illegal, aggressive military adventures? Do you suffer from alzheimer's or something?

Or are you disputing the claims made by the USS Liberty veterans themselves?

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

The Cover Up
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

But what would they know, eh? Obviously they're in 'Fantasy world' - It's not like they were there or... Oh, wait...

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 18 Mar 2012, 16:37

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... rab-spring

Swiss money manager and long term bear Marc Faber, aka "Dr Doom", says political risk in the Middle East has increased significantly with war between Iran and Israel “almost inevitable”, and precious metals and equities investments offer some safety.

"Political risk was high six months ago and is higher now. I think sooner or later, the U.S. or Israel will strike Iran - it's almost inevitable," Faber, who publishes the widely read Gloom Boom and Doom Report, told Reuters on the sidelines of an investment conference.

Brent crude traded near $123 per barrel in volatile trade on Tuesday on fears of a disruption in Iranian supplies. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu showed no signs of backing away from possible military action against Iran following a Monday meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama.

"Say war breaks out in the Middle East or anywhere else, (U.S. Federal Reserve chairman) Mr Bernanke will just print even more money -- they have no option...they haven't got the money to finance a war," said Faber.

"You have to be in precious metals and equities ... most wars and most social unrest haven't destroyed corporations - they usually survive," he said.

The 66 year-old, who has earned the moniker "Dr Doom", earlier told the conference that the likelihood of war in the Middle East was boosted by Western powers' imperatives of keeping China in check, given its dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

"The Americans and the western powers know very well they cannot contain China economically.... but one way to contain China is to switch on and switch off the oil tap from the Middle East," he said.

"I happen to think the Middle East will go up in flames," he said.

Totally agree with Fabers outlook.

http://www.financialsense.com/financial ... mnipresent

This interview is very good - a wider ME war across the region within five years... ignoring a potential Iran war in 2012.

Just been to a Arab country on holiday - very interesting chat with my tour manager who said that if the fundamentalists take power, it will lead to the collapse of tourism and a real risk of war in the region. He again, independently, gives the timeline around five years from now.

http://www.financialsense.com/financial ... -with-fire

Interesting PO interview for those interested.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 18 Mar 2012, 16:50

BitSlice10101 wrote:
woodburner wrote:
BitSlice10101 wrote:My point had been made....
Maybe it had, but the post was confused enough the point wasn't clear. What was it?
It was about childish silly Zionist conspiricy theories that some people here are too quick to subscribe to with utter conviction, but zero credible evidence to back anything up.

Its kind of a religeous sect for intarweb idiots..!

"Zionist" meaning? You are as bad as those you refer to unless you can present a rational case instead of throwing unfounded accusations about.

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 18 Mar 2012, 19:00

It's wise to remember that Israel is around 250miles long by 20miles wide.

Not sure how anyone could nuke that without making a mess of the surrounding countries and large parts of the Eastern Mediterranean.

moimitou · Post by **moimitou** » 18 Mar 2012, 19:10

Thank you Lord Beria, I was actually looking for more diverse sources to confirm these rumours.