Arctic sea ice melt on track to set new record

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RalphW wrote:I think it is unlikely to remain at this low level for another 2 months. The weather will change and there will be more ice
Found this from the site mentioned above

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/imag ... _hires.png

Interesting how there's a retreat on one side and an advance on the other. Could it be that this is due to an 'abnormal situation' in the Atlantic acting one way and a similar event in the Pacific acting the other?

The 2005 and 2011 maps compared show that there's more going on here than a steady decline. How does similar data for the summer minimum compare? I may have to do some climate change reading any ideas for a starter?
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Ice extent is pretty fickle as it depends on which way the wind has been blowing. Ice volume is much more difficult to measure but seems to have been steadily declining from year to year, with a greater extent of one-year ice and less older (and thicker) ice.
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One of the major factors impacting ice extent are the direction and type of winds that effect the area. The winds are of course caused by the anti-cyclonic and cyclonic pressure systems that develop in the region. Ice can be pushed by the winds, causing build-up of excess ice in one area and a deficit in another. There is plenty of information on the net about this subject. :)
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And we think we have problems with snow sometimes!
This weather pattern also brought moist air from the Pacific Ocean to the southern Alaska coast, helping to explain record snowfalls in towns such as Cordova, Alaska, which received over 15 feet of snow between early November and mid-January.
That would almost cover my upstairs windows.

Also from NSIDC at the bottom of the page.
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This is a plot of sea ice volume at the summer minimum with a best fit log curve.

Ice free by Sept 2015 plus or minus 2 years...

We won't have long to wait to see if this is accurate.
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I tend to worry more about PO than CC, but I fear you may be right, UE.
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That makes rather scary viewing even to the uninformed eye. Have you a similar graph for the winter maximum?

I'd have thought that less ice in summer would mean more heat into the exposed ocean and thus an accelerated decrease in winter volumes as well. But maybe not... :?
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ujoni08 wrote:I tend to worry more about PO than CC, but I fear you may be right, UE.
I worry more about BAU. The longer it goes on the more explosive the end will be.

There are a fair few ice breakers keeping sea routes open through the winter. I wonder how mush this activity is contributing to the ice melting.
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Rapid melt has set in on the arctic ice.

Gone from near normal range to 1.89 sq Km below normal in just a few weeks.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/

Sea ice volume is calculated to be tracking slightly below last year's record low for the time of year.

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress ... time%28%29?
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Arctic sea Ice volume anomoly reaches a new record at 10,700 cubic kilomiters.

http://psc.apl.washington.edu/wordpress ... e-anomaly/

Once it reaches 12,000 cubic kilometers in September, there is no more sea ice.

[edit] If this level of anomaly is sustained until September, then it fits well with the exponential plot above. In fact it would be slightly ahead of the curve.
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Well I'm convinced something out of the ordinary is happening. Comments elsewhere about the southerly drift of the jetstream make sense to me.

UE may well be right and a point of no return, even if localised has been reached. The best we can hope is that it bottoms at about 3 and is more linear than exponential for a couple of years, at which point it's gone :shock:
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Article in New Scientist by Stephen Battersby

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Seems the climate models do not predict the shift in extreme weather that we have been experiencing.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... -wild.html

(You might find that's behind a pay-wall)
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