Ecofans - are they worth £100?

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 14 Jan 2012, 21:38

woodburner wrote:Indeed we don't, but when you make scientifically inaccurate statements, you try to dismiss any correction, which several people have tried to make, with muddled statements to support an initially flawed argument.

As I see it you're making a mistake by focussing on one aspect of the whole system which doesn't have as significant effect on the performance of the system as a whole. Just because you might be right about something in the microcosm doesn't mean to say its accurate in the macrocosm.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 14 Jan 2012, 21:47

mobbsey wrote: And let's not forget why we put fires inside boxes.

To stop the hot bits falling on the carpet.

mobbsey wrote:
Finally, let's get back to the original question posed 4-pages back; are ecofans worth 100 quid?

Does an ecofan improve convection or radiation? -- clearly, it increases convection.

Who cares. They are a great talking point

featherstick · Post by **featherstick** » 14 Jan 2012, 22:02

biffvernon wrote:
mobbsey wrote: And let's not forget why we put fires inside boxes.
To stop the hot bits falling on the carpet.

mobbsey wrote:
Finally, let's get back to the original question posed 4-pages back; are ecofans worth 100 quid?

Does an ecofan improve convection or radiation? -- clearly, it increases convection.
Who cares. They are a great talking point

They've certainly pushed a lot of hot air around this particular forum.

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 14 Jan 2012, 22:30

featherstick wrote:They've certainly pushed a lot of hot air around this particular forum.

Yes, but how best to transport that heat -- and is black the new green?

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 14 Jan 2012, 23:01

Still haven't bought one and still thinking about it.....

I think the price must just be too much for me to want to proceed.

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 14 Jan 2012, 23:27

I bought a similar fan with a sterling motor, it is a novelty, but does nothing to improve comfort or reduce fuel used. An extra jumper is a real improvement. People may ridicule this approach, but it allows you to be warm while not having to have a stuffy and over hot atmosphere to do it. By doing this, our winter fuel bill is around £150 above normal spring/autumn costs. The £150 pays for a supply of ash/beech/hornbeam.

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 14 Jan 2012, 23:44

Why are comfy chairs near the floor, when that's where the draughts are most likely to be, and heat rises? My home has a low ceiling, and my head is nice and toasty when I stand up

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biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 15 Jan 2012, 08:58

woodburner wrote:An extra jumper is a real improvement. People may ridicule this approach, but it allows you to be warm while not having to have a stuffy

Merino wool base layers are an amazing invention (re-invention?).

SleeperService · Post by **SleeperService** » 15 Jan 2012, 12:14

mobbsey wrote:And if you didn't like that, you definitely don't want to join this forum --
http://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/

I'm NEVER going to look at an Airfix kit in the same way again

woodburner · Post by **woodburner** » 15 Jan 2012, 14:13

biffvernon wrote:
woodburner wrote:An extra jumper is a real improvement. People may ridicule this approach, but it allows you to be warm while not having to have a stuffy
Merino wool base layers are an amazing invention (re-invention?).

I haven't been impressed by them. I bought some merino wool thermals at £50 a pop, but the wind seemed to get through them even when I had other layers on top. The most effective I've found is the standard Marks and Sparks thermals. The lightweight ones aren't anywhere near as good IMO.

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 15 Jan 2012, 14:31

woodburner wrote:
biffvernon wrote:Merino wool base layers are an amazing invention (re-invention?).
I haven't been impressed by them.

Hang-on, I'm still in my shorts! -- hasn't been cold enough this Winter for trousers.

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 15 Jan 2012, 16:10

Paul, please tell me you are not one of those sad men that walk around in shorts even in winter? I saw one on Boxing Day and cringed - people were looking at him and rolling their eyes.

mobbsey · Post by **mobbsey** » 15 Jan 2012, 17:07

snow hope wrote: Paul, please tell me you are not one of those sad men that walk around in shorts even in winter?

Yes, I suppose at some subconscious level I do take a sadistic pleasure in walking down the street and watching people shiver when they see me. I blame it on not having any central heating in the house when I was a kid -- in the days before global warming when we had real Winters with ice, snow and power cuts.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 15 Jan 2012, 17:44

I met a bloke last week who was wearing shorts. He said he'd only worn long trousers to a wedding and two funerals in the last seven years.

vtsnowedin · Post by **vtsnowedin** » 15 Jan 2012, 19:31

biffvernon wrote:I met a bloke last week who was wearing shorts. He said he'd only worn long trousers to a wedding and two funerals in the last seven years.

He wouldn't last long around here without mending his ways. I'm considering changing my board name to VTFROZEIN as there is less then a foot of snow on the ground but was -20F this morning at dawn and is just+2F this PM.
The wood stoves are perking right along but winter weight clothes are advisable if your going in and out doing chores.