Rise of far right an ominous echo

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 26 Dec 2011, 08:53

Lord Beria3 wrote:
JavaScriptDonkey wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:Fidesz won an overwhelming Parliamentary majority last year
So are you saying that democracy is right when it goes left and wrong when it goes right?

'Overwhelming majority' seems to indicate that it is the will of the people.
Fascists can be popular you know... Hitler got in with 40% of the vote.

40% isn't an overwhelming majority.

It's also worth bering in mind that nobody voted for Stalin and we know how that ended.

There is an awful lot in fascism that reflects communist thinking and I don't trust either.

"We've come for your cheese."

"What makes you think you can just take my cheese."

"We take it in the name of The People."

"But I am also The People"

"You are not The Important People".

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 26 Dec 2011, 11:00

RenewableCandy wrote:Last year I too would have worried about the rise of the far right in places like Russia. However, given all the recent demos and other such activities it appears that things are on the change there, but in some other direction. .

Yes, but probably not the direction you're thinking RC. Someone wants to get rid of Putin, for sure, but I don't think it's the Russian people.

If true democracy emerges in Russia, I will eat my hat. It might look like it at first, but the true colours of whoever takes over will be shown before long.

SleeperService · Post by **SleeperService** » 26 Dec 2011, 11:21

Lord Beria3 wrote:
JavaScriptDonkey wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:Fidesz won an overwhelming Parliamentary majority last year
So are you saying that democracy is right when it goes left and wrong when it goes right?

'Overwhelming majority' seems to indicate that it is the will of the people.
Fascists can be popular you know... Hitler got in with 40% of the vote.

Hitler wasn't a fascist he was a National Socalist, Franco and Mussolini were fascists.

I'm with Ludwig about something happening this year, if it doesn't then I think there'll be no major event for four or five years ie. the PTB will have stabilised things for the short term.

Russia has never had democracy. It was feudal then a dictatorship which it still is. Dictators don't have to be bustards it's just that most of them are.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 26 Dec 2011, 13:05

Lord Beria3 wrote: The big states of western Europe won't go to war partly because of nuclear weapons and partly because there are no big territorial differences between the states. Rather in western Europe expect to see a low level civil war in our more 'multicultural' cities like Brussels, Marsailles, Birmingham etc.

My view of what might happen has changed of late. I think a new era of international co-operation may be in the offing. Or at least, that might be the plan. The question is whether it can be pulled off. Maybe it can: they've already pulled off things I wouldn't have thought possible.

ujoni08 · Post by **ujoni08** » 26 Dec 2011, 13:51

Ludwig wrote:
My view of what might happen has changed of late. I think a new era of international co-operation may be in the offing. Or at least, that might be the plan. The question is whether it can be pulled off. Maybe it can: they've already pulled off things I wouldn't have thought possible.

Interesting. What has made you change your view, if you don't mind sharing?

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 26 Dec 2011, 16:16

ujoni08 wrote:
Ludwig wrote:
My view of what might happen has changed of late. I think a new era of international co-operation may be in the offing. Or at least, that might be the plan. The question is whether it can be pulled off. Maybe it can: they've already pulled off things I wouldn't have thought possible.
Interesting. What has made you change your view, if you don't mind sharing?

Re-reading what I wrote, it sounds more optimistic than I intended

I've followed a few links from the recent thread about the beginnings of the Federal Reserve, the Rothschilds etc. The deeper you dig, the more disturbing it gets.

This stuff is all out in the open; the information comes straight from the mouths of the string-pullers. E.g.

David Rockefeller wrote:Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

See also my sig quote by Roosevelt, a Freemason. It was not a warning, it was an admission.

Google "Georgia guidestones".

To put it in mythological terms, the Devil's side of the bargain is that he always tells you what he is doing. He will never deny it, any more than you will ever believe it.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 26 Dec 2011, 16:46

PS Here's a interesting quote:

To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family tradition, national patriotism and religious dogmas ...
We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers, our politicians, our priests, our newspapers and others with vested interests in controlling us.

The reinterpretation and eventual eradication of the concept of right and wrong which has been the basis of child training, the substitution of intelligent and rational thinking for faith in the certainties of the old people, these are the belated objectives ... for charting the changes of human behavior.

(My emphasis.)

Who do you think said that? Goebbels? Stalin? O'Brien in "1984"?

Actually it was Brock Chisholm, Director-General of the World Health Organisation.

They will tell you what they are doing, but you won't believe them.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 26 Dec 2011, 16:50

Ludwig wrote:
My view of what might happen has changed of late. I think a new era of international co-operation may be in the offing.

Or at least, that might be the plan. The question is whether it can be pulled off. Maybe it can: they've already pulled off things I wouldn't have thought possible.

What plan?

All they've "pulled off" is ways of holding the thing together for a bit longer. I too am surprised at how effective this strategy has been at delaying the inevitable, but I don't see the inevitable getting any less inevitable.

Market forces, which are what TPTB fear, and rightly so because they are the thing which will ultimately bring The System down, are faced with a dilemma at the moment. They know the writing is on the wall, but they also know that their own future is tied to that of The System. So they don't want to bring it down, even though the state of the market itself is compelling them to act in ways that will eventually bring it down. None of this makes any difference to the basic underlying fact that the entire western world is trapped in a debt crisis that has no non-catastrophic solution.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 26 Dec 2011, 16:55

I think you know what plan.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 26 Dec 2011, 16:57

Exactly Ludwig! Please be more precise, I am quite aware of the one-world crowd, but they have made very little process in the last fifty years.

Can you give precise predictions on these 'plans' for 2012?

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 26 Dec 2011, 16:59

Ludwig wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:
Or at least, that might be the plan. The question is whether it can be pulled off. Maybe it can: they've already pulled off things I wouldn't have thought possible.

What plan?
I think you know what plan.

I really don't know what plan. I can't think of a plan that would work (that can continue to protect the rich and powerful indefinately.)

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 26 Dec 2011, 17:01

Lord Beria3 wrote:Exactly Ludwig! Please be more precise, I am quite aware of the one-world crowd, but they have made very little process in the last fifty years.

Can you give precise predictions on these 'plans' for 2012?

Look it up and form your own opinions. It's all out there.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 26 Dec 2011, 17:31

Ludwig, your hat looks worryingly inedible (especially those goggles). Then again, I'm not sure there's true democracy anywhere, not even our local Parish Council, so you're probably safe

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 26 Dec 2011, 17:36

Ludwig wrote:
Lord Beria3 wrote:Exactly Ludwig! Please be more precise, I am quite aware of the one-world crowd, but they have made very little process in the last fifty years.

Can you give precise predictions on these 'plans' for 2012?
Look it up and form your own opinions. It's all out there.

I have looked it all up (for a few years I read everything about the one-world stuff) and I am afraid most of it is BS.

However, that is beside the point, what are these mysterious plans?

hodson2k9 · Post by **hodson2k9** » 26 Dec 2011, 18:06

UndercoverElephant wrote:
Ludwig wrote:
What plan?

All they've "pulled off" is ways of holding the thing together for a bit longer. I too am surprised at how effective this strategy has been at delaying the inevitable, but I don't see the inevitable getting any less inevitable.

what makes you think they want the present system to continue?
what about what comes after the system fails though, is it not easier to set up a one world system when people are suffering in the mist of a catastrophic crisis?, i mean if people are starving and someone comes out and says, ive got a plan vote for me, there's a good chance people are going to vote for it, didn't hitler come to power, after a crisis in germany, all im saying is when theres a crisis thats when vultures strike as thats when the people are at there weakest, and go with the flow in the hope of something better