Thoughts on 2012

[jonny2mad]

[The all-pervading Americanism exists because the US could always offer the prospect of a higher material standard of living. If the US can no longer deliver that, then there's no gain for Hispanics in assimilating a failed ideal.

So they should return to Mexico and jump back into that wonderfully prosperous ideal???
I think the Hispanics in the US south west are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they try to rise up against the established whites (not the retirees from the north) they will be crushed. They need to find a way to be a useful participant in the new deal ,what ever that may prove to be. I'm not too worried about them , they have been dealing with adversity for generations and will be quicker on the uptake then the ensconced white middle class which will starve before they figure out why their debit cards no longer work.

With the way demographics are going in the south west would they be crushed , and Mexico is in a state now but I'm not sure the American south west is going to be in much of a better position in the future

[emordnilap]

In other words, Peak oil hits next year

Peak oil has been and gone. I think you mean the end of peak oil. I imagine we'll look back upon 2005-2012 as being some kind of summit in conventional oil extraction, a bumpy minor transition period between up and down slopes. Then the fun begins. Expect the real dash for 'unconventionals' then.



This is from the IEA, even more pessimistic than my 2005-2012 mountain top.

[vtsnowedin]

So they should return to Mexico and jump back into that wonderfully prosperous ideal???
I think the Hispanics in the US south west are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they try to rise up against the established whites (not the retirees from the north) they will be crushed. They need to find a way to be a useful participant in the new deal ,what ever that may prove to be. I'm not too worried about them , they have been dealing with adversity for generations and will be quicker on the uptake then the ensconced white middle class which will starve before they figure out why their debit cards no longer work.

With the way demographics are going in the south west would they be crushed , and Mexico is in a state now but I'm not sure the American south west is going to be in much of a better position in the future

I expect that Mexico will continue to be a world leader when it comes to deprivation and lawlessness so however bad it gets in the US south west it will be a relative promised land to those stuck in poverty to the south.
And yes crushed or more accurately shot if not by the police then by the land owners themselves. Western attitudes about property rights and self defense are worlds apart from what Easterners and city dwellers consider the norm. Let any lawlessness break out the perpetrators will be driven south at gun point any any that resist will be left for the vultures.

[Potemkin Villager]

Thre may be trouble ahead.

I am 100% certain the trouble will be exacerbated hugely
by trying to keep bau going as long as possible.

[Lord Beria3]

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2011/ ... the-power/

Last year brought revolutions and financial crisis. 2012 brings a global struggle for control in which the apparently weak and poor will command attention and cash

Totally agree. 2012 is going to be a epic year on many different levels.

As the Marxists say, the class struggles will intensify around the world with explosive socio-political consequences.

[jonny2mad]

With the way demographics are going in the south west would they be crushed , and Mexico is in a state now but I'm not sure the American south west is going to be in much of a better position in the future

I expect that Mexico will continue to be a world leader when it comes to deprivation and lawlessness so however bad it gets in the US south west it will be a relative promised land to those stuck in poverty to the south.
And yes crushed or more accurately shot if not by the police then by the land owners themselves. Western attitudes about property rights and self defense are worlds apart from what Easterners and city dwellers consider the norm. Let any lawlessness break out the perpetrators will be driven south at gun point any any that resist will be left for the vultures.

The Mexicans have guns too and their likely to have greater numbers, I haven't seen Americans prepared to defend their country against illegal immigration or even legal immigration thats turning the SW Mexican, so I don't have much faith that Americans would fight at some future time to reconquer the south west .

Nope most whites will head north you may well have some sort of a fight in the south west but whites wont have the numbers, its very likely when this happens when you clearly have lost a load of territory that people may start to get it, but at best that might allow you to control whatever territory your going to be left with .

Bid California Goodbye

[PhilSage]

I think someone got the "who said what" a bit mixed up there, but if infrastructure is going to collapse anywhere in the US, the SW is a likely candidate. And as vtsnowden implied, some sort of armed civil revolt is almost inevitable if the US rich-poor divide and civil repression continues unchecked.

Maybe the Mexicans will be the first indegenous peoples (I use the term loosely) to reclaim territories from the US; perhaps later than 2012 though.

[PS_RalphW]

My 2012 plans are not starting too well, first I don't get the job in York, then against all expectations, my employer gets bought out of administration, albeit with another 40% being made redundant (but not me).

[RenewableCandy]

B***er (about the York bit anyway)

[DominicJ]

Congrats Ralph
I was pressing flesh at the christmas party last night and may have wrangled myself some sort of "back office" role in procurement.
Need to hope the head of procurement remembers it

[mobbsey]

2012 will be just like 2011, except the excuses from the political and corporate world will look even more threadbare than they do today.

[emordnilap]

2012 will be just like 2011, except the excuses from the political and corporate world will look even more threadbare than they do today.

+1

These politicians are good at being politicians. That's their job. They don't have a clue about much else.

[clv101]

... my employer gets bought out of administration, albeit with another 40% being made redundant (but not me).

Glad to hear that Ralph.

[stumuzz]

Well done Ralph.

It seems you may have been seriously underestimating your importance to the company.

[ujoni08]

Partly good news anyway, RalphW