Peak Oil & UFO Technology

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 21 Jun 2006, 15:46

What would the collective noun for conspiracy theorists be?

A "worry" of conspiracy theorists . . . ?

I must admit, some of the theories do interest me - like if you watch slow-motion footage of the WTC collapsing, you can actually see little puffs of smoke coming out of the sides of the buildings on the floors below those collapsing, like little explosive charges.

Frankly, nothing people do surprises me. But I don't tend to worry too much about things I can do nothing about. You do as much as you can do, and that's all you need to do, I reckon.

wayne72 · Post by **wayne72** » 21 Jun 2006, 16:11

isenhand wrote:
wayne72 wrote:Call me a conspiracy theorist etc. but I believe in Alien Existence, whether inteligent life is out there or as landed here is questionable. I will look at you article though with interest.
Questionable? I think any question that can be asked regarding whether or not aliens have landed is in the same set as questions regarding the existence of pink fairies. That is to say, there is no evidence to suggest that any extraterrestrial being have landed as it looks like there is no evidence of pink faires!

In my opinion the problems we are facing are of our own making and as I see no evidence of outside help, it is up to us to get ourselves out of this mess. Looking to fantasy creatures does not appear constructive.

Maybe i've read too many of Erich Von Danikens books

Oh and please don't tell about all his false evidence etc. If you read more than "Chariots of the Gods" which incidently most of his critics didn't even read, he thus explains it all.

Bandidoz · Post by **Bandidoz** » 21 Jun 2006, 16:25

Bozzio wrote:"A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order"

That still doesn't account for the Eastern Bloc, unless the belief is that "they're in on it" as well.

It's one thing to believe that a Government and its industry is corrupt in order to achieve fiscal and national supremacy. It's something else to believe that all Governments are complicit in subjugating the people of the world.

Bozzio · Post by **Bozzio** » 21 Jun 2006, 16:34

Many people believe that Peak Oil is a conspiracy theory. Does that makes us all conspiracy nuts?

I have to say that I no longer believe that PO is the threat many are claiming it to be. Although I believe our world will be rocked by the decline of oil, I am now of the opinion that it really won't be catastrophic as many on this forum will have us think. Just my opinion.

Personally I can see a stock market crash, mass unemplyment and so on, but as humans we will get on with it. Just as long as we don't believe the hype from the PTB about the need to bomb Iran and concentrate instead on our own lifestyle then we will be OK. The world did survive for years without petroleum with most of the trappings we take for granted now. It's just that there are more of us today than before.

I don't promote PO much anymore. The event itself will be played out to us all in time and very few of us will listen in the meantime. Sorry guys but this forum has only attracted 289 members in over 1.5 years. compared with a UK 9/11 truth website I attend regularly which now has almost 600 members attained in the 11 months since its creation. (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/)

Personally, I try to discuss with people the lies we are told about the war on terror since this leads to the why behind this scam much better than the scare tactics of impending hardship. Makes me feel better but I can appreciate that not everyone believes what I believe.

I wonder if David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Michael Meacher, Professor Steven Jones, John Pilger, and other so called conspiracists can count beyond 2. They must be able to, wouldn't you think?

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 21 Jun 2006, 16:41

I think that there are some sharpish posts in here of what some people think....

Nobody is the arbiter of the truth.

I think it best to keep an open mind on things. Some conspiracy theories are no doubt true. Many will no doubt be untrue. I have my own views on 911, Kennedy, Diana, free energy etc. They may or may not be correct - who am I to say.

There is some pretty good evidence of exterrestial intelligence, albeit I would discard 95% of UFO evidence.

But you have to take seriously evidence such as the Belgian incident amongst others. There are too many airline pilots seeing things they have no explanation for. Also I believe it is true that a lot of things are kept quiet / are hushed up. Then again, it is not beyond possibility that this could be explained.

I think open minds, allowed us to see and understand the implications of Peak Oil.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:23

Sorry guys but this forum has only attracted 289 members in over 1.5 years.

Whoever said that quality always comes in quantity?

rs · Post by rs » 21 Jun 2006, 17:33

Bozzio wrote:Personally I can see a stock market crash, mass unemplyment and so on, but as humans we will get on with it. Just as long as we don't believe the hype from the PTB about the need to bomb Iran and concentrate instead on our own lifestyle then we will be OK. The world did survive for years without petroleum with most of the trappings we take for granted now. It's just that there are more of us today than before.

Personally, it is the 'we will get on with it' that I worry about!

I can't see stock market crash, mass unemployment and so on being a trivial matter. I have a family, I need to work. It pays the bills, clothes us and puts food on the table, keeps the house warm in winter and supplies us with fresh water and disposal of sewerage.

If there is mass unemployment, I don't see us instantly switching to a simpler lifestyle. Yes, you're right the world has survived before without all the crap we take for granted today.

Even so, I would bet supermarket shelves being empty for a week would cause total chaos. What about after one month, or six ?

But like you, I don't promote PO. People don't want to hear about it, because right now, they can't see it or feel it. Like frogs in a saucepan. Man it's getting warm in here

wayne72 · Post by **wayne72** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:34

Bozzio wrote:Many people believe that Peak Oil is a conspiracy theory. Does that makes us all conspiracy nuts?

I have to say that I no longer believe that PO is the threat many are claiming it to be. Although I believe our world will be rocked by the decline of oil, I am now of the opinion that it really won't be catastrophic as many on this forum will have us think. Just my opinion.

Personally I can see a stock market crash, mass unemplyment and so on, but as humans we will get on with it. Just as long as we don't believe the hype from the PTB about the need to bomb Iran and concentrate instead on our own lifestyle then we will be OK. The world did survive for years without petroleum with most of the trappings we take for granted now. It's just that there are more of us today than before.

I don't promote PO much anymore. The event itself will be played out to us all in time and very few of us will listen in the meantime. Sorry guys but this forum has only attracted 289 members in over 1.5 years. compared with a UK 9/11 truth website I attend regularly which now has almost 600 members attained in the 11 months since its creation. (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/)

Personally, I try to discuss with people the lies we are told about the war on terror since this leads to the why behind this scam much better than the scare tactics of impending hardship. Makes me feel better but I can appreciate that not everyone believes what I believe.

I wonder if David Ray Griffin, Webster Tarpley, Michael Meacher, Professor Steven Jones, John Pilger, and other so called conspiracists can count beyond 2. They must be able to, wouldn't you think?

LOL Stockmarket Crash, Mass Unemployment etc. and yet you still remain optimistic

skeptik · Post by **skeptik** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:36

Andy Hunt wrote:
Sorry guys but this forum has only attracted 289 members in over 1.5 years.
Whoever said that quality always comes in quantity?

Indeed.

Excellent. Let them eat eachothers' shit at Peakoil.com

More tea, vicar?

skeptik · Post by **skeptik** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:39

Andy Hunt wrote:What would the collective noun for conspiracy theorists be?

A "worry" of conspiracy theorists . . . ?

A paranoiam of conspiracy theorists.

Bozzio · Post by **Bozzio** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:40

Bandidoz wrote:That still doesn't account for the Eastern Bloc, unless the belief is that "they're in on it" as well.

It's one thing to believe that a Government and its industry is corrupt in order to achieve fiscal and national supremacy. It's something else to believe that all Governments are complicit in subjugating the people of the world.

If you know your history, you will know that most of the countries and governments we have today have only been formed in the last century. That includes the Eastern Bloc and most of the Middle East. Many of these have been created under guidance from the British and Americans purely for financial and political advantage.

Bandidoz, maybe you should read the book before jumping to any conclusions. This is not a conspiracy book rather a factual look at the role oil has played in shaping the political decisions of the last 100 years.

dr_doom · Post by **dr_doom** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:41

Bozzio wrote:Many people believe that Peak Oil is a conspiracy theory. Does that makes us all conspiracy nuts?

I have to say that I no longer believe that PO is the threat many are claiming it to be. Although I believe our world will be rocked by the decline of oil, I am now of the opinion that it really won't be catastrophic as many on this forum will have us think. Just my opinion.

...

I'm inclined to agree.

At the end of the day, the fact that 9 11 was an inside job is provable
beyond a reasonable doubt. I've been leafleted twice this year by 9 11
truth campaigners, why would they go to so much effort if it was total bullshit?

The fact that an organised syndicate of (criminal) elites are running the world
through privately owned central banks, is provable beyond a reasonable doubt.

(there's an excellent film by Aaron Russo film coming out soon,
America: From Freedom to Fascism www.freedomtofascism.com)

To be honest when i'm lying in bed having nightmares about the future,
it often isn't so much about peak oil. It's what these elites might do as
a result of peak oil (WW3 / economic collapse / bioweapons).

Whether peak oil is a fraud or not. Not really provable either way.
There's so much of a data gap, we simply have to rely on the word of
well meaning industry insiders. Who you could say have a vested interest
in many cases anyway.

Bozzio · Post by **Bozzio** » 21 Jun 2006, 17:58

dr_doom wrote:To be honest when i'm lying in bed having nightmares about the future,
it often isn't so much about peak oil. It's what these elites might do as
a result of peak oil (WW3 / economic collapse / bioweapons).

Thanks dr_doom, this was the point I was trying to make albeit in a more roundabout way.

I believe we should be very concerned about what the oligarch will do. PO will be the catalyst but not neccesarily the main problem. As Heinberg says, we can choose to be peaceful about it or we can fight each other. I believe we will fight each other because that is what the US wants and all this bogus rubbish about a war on terror is designed to stir our defensive and reactionary juices.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." Hermann Goering at the Nuremburg trials

Pippa · Post by **Pippa** » 21 Jun 2006, 22:27

Bozzio wrote: Sorry guys but this forum has only attracted 289 members in over 1.5 years. compared with a UK 9/11 truth website I attend regularly which now has almost 600 members attained in the 11 months since its creation. (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/)

Looking for a scapegoat? That's modern society for you. Always somebody elses fault what ever goes wrong. If there's a problem "they" will fix it, or "they" (mystery, mystery) were to blame. Definately, the facts don't "add up". But is that "it"? TPTB want to take control, enter the terrorists, so this happens, the end? We have an obsession with finding out who is to blame (it must be someone or something)

Reminds me rather of the hunt for witches in medieval times or the decimation of the American Indians; can't possibly have content people wondering about who believe in the earth to spoil our fun. No, no, no. Start a smear campaign, then get rid of the problem (solved).

Yuk....... doesn't taste so good realising I am part of the problem!

Pippa · Post by **Pippa** » 21 Jun 2006, 22:41

Bozzio wrote: Sorry guys but this forum has only attracted 289 members in over 1.5 years. compared with a UK 9/11 truth website I attend regularly which now has almost 600 members attained in the 11 months since its creation. (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/)

You may not find the countometer notching up into the thousands here at powerswitch but perhaps you would find the number of people reading financial advice at www.dailyreckoning.co.uk a tad more mind numbing especially as they are the ones interested in understanding the stock market, buying and selling commodities(that's "things" to you and I), following the boom/bust relationship between the east and the west, talking about peak oil, advising folks about the forthcoming risks for the next however long, letting the "cat out of the bag" regarding the relationship between assets, money, gold and government spending etc, etc. Funny, I haven't read a thing about 9/11 there!