I predict a riot!!!

PS_RalphW · Post by **PS_RalphW** » 13 Aug 2011, 16:33

stumuzz wrote:
clv101 wrote: stumuzz, I don't see the problem? Why can't India have been pillaged and then keep the institutions? Your point does't disprove the first at all.
So someone breaks into your house, pillages it and occupies. When they leave you say that was a jolly good time lets do it to ourselves? Hmm

The Romans came to Britain, played divide and conquer, stripped us of our lead and gold , and then left. When they left, we begged them to stay, we loved their towns and roads games and decadence.

featherstick · Post by **featherstick** » 13 Aug 2011, 17:11

A superior culture conquers an inferior one, and leaves behind some physical and cultural artefacts of its stay once its empires collapses. Britain has a better history than most empires of building a conquered country's infrastructure, but we were in it for the plunder and later the markets nevertheless. And we were just one of several waves of "conquerors" who came for a while, bought off, beat up or allied themselves to the local elites, and then left again. We didn't "conquer" India or Africa, we were just there for a while, and did some shitty and some commendable things while we were there.

Anyone interested further in this is pointed to Clive Ponting's History of the World.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Aug 2011, 17:40

I like this deconstruction of David Starkey's News night performance: http://ADVERT DELETED.com/2011/08/13/d ... cist-cant/

jonny2mad · Post by **jonny2mad** » 13 Aug 2011, 18:26

The more multicultural a society the less people care about it,

http://londonrioters.co.uk/ pictures of looters they are trying to catch,

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 13 Aug 2011, 18:27

biffvernon wrote:I like this deconstruction of David Starkey's News night performance: http://ADVERT DELETED.com/2011/08/13/d ... cist-cant/

Nasty little man

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 13 Aug 2011, 18:27

It's an interesting that that 'we' invaded India for profit.

My ancestors played no part in that enterprise and I can't see any evidence of them having profited from it at all. Perhaps you meant that the German royal family profited?

The British Empire first cozied up to the local elite and then deposed them. Life for the average wallah didn't change much although a new and very prosperous middle class blossomed. Of course there was the railways. Railways goes without saying of course. And the water works, sewage systems, roads, agriculture, schools, trade links, medicine and economic stability.

Clearly pillaged to within an inch of its life. However all was not beneficent as [url=http://india_resource.tripod.com/colonial.html]this article[/url] will reveal. India was after all a vassal state but life for the average Indian had hardly changed.

I'd also argue with your interpretation that Europeans deemed Africans as sub human. Racism in this country is very much an import from the American colonies. Wiki educates us that during the Lancaster Cotton Famine, cotton workers refused to process Confederate cotton and wrote to Abraham Lincoln:-

.. the vast progress which you have made in the short space of twenty months fills us with hope that every stain on your freedom will shortly be removed, and that the erasure of that foul blot on civilisation and Christianity – chattel slavery – during your presidency, will cause the name of Abraham Lincoln to be honoured and revered by posterity. We are certain that such a glorious consummation will cement Great Britain and the United States in close and enduring regards.

—Public Meeting, Free Trade Hall, Manchester, 31 December 1862.

History can rarely be understood from only one view point.

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Aug 2011, 19:02

stevecook172001 wrote:
biffvernon wrote:I like this deconstruction of David Starkey's News night performance: http://ADVERT DELETED.com/2011/08/13/d ... cist-cant/
Nasty little man

You talking about me? Oh, You mean David Starkey.

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 13 Aug 2011, 19:09

When all the analysis has come and gone, this is what we are left with.

THE RIOTERS PRAYER

Our father, who art in prison,
My mum knows not his name,
Thy Riots come, read it in the Sun,
In Birmingham, as it is in London,
Give us this day our Welfare bread & forgive us our looting, as we're happy to loot those who defend stuff against us,
Lead us not into employment but deliver us free housing,
For thine is the teles, the Burberry & the Barcardi, forever and ever...
Innit !!!!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Aug 2011, 19:13

Did you write that?

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 13 Aug 2011, 19:22

biffvernon wrote:

Did you write that?

No, it was forwarded to me. Good though, innit?

Little John · Post by **Little John** » 13 Aug 2011, 19:48

Parliament has sat again
on those who take a stand their reign
is under threat their rabbits late,
the tea-party will soon debate
the problem splintered into particles
related by related articles
and analysed by anal stats
for white papers no sharps or flats
no majors, miners, song-and-dancers
just feral youths and take-a-chancers
fed up with the can-carrying,
buck-stopping, hatchet-burying
determined to give muted voice
to mutant mutes denied a choice
to hacked-off kids with sawn-off guns
just dustbin-lids from soap re-runs
and dead-end dicks from the estate
with dumbed-down chicks our welfare state
we're on a one-way trip to hell
sayonara, fare-thee-well
band-aid applied with sleight-of-hand
accompanied by concert grand
and massed choirs to massed applause
to stop the symptoms

cure the cause.

Potemkin Villager · Post by **Potemkin Villager** » 13 Aug 2011, 21:41

woodpecker wrote: One of the guys pleading guilty of looting East Dulwich Tesco took nappies.

It isn't all TVs and Nikes.

What a crying shame!

This young lass has a quite away with words.

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2 ... ets-london

stumuzz · Post by **stumuzz** » 14 Aug 2011, 10:10

biffvernon wrote:
stumuzz wrote:Pillagers do not build lovely railways.
Oh I don't know about that. The British were very clever fellows, multi-tasking, don't you know what. Building railways and a bit of pillaging on the side was all in a century's work.

A little pillaging on the side goes without saying. A good simile would be MP’s. Most of them went in to do good, but a few did a bit of thieving on the side.

stumuzz · Post by **stumuzz** » 14 Aug 2011, 10:11

Mean Mr Mustard wrote:
biffvernon wrote:
stumuzz wrote:Pillagers do not build lovely railways.
Oh I don't know about that. The British were very clever fellows, multi-tasking, don't you know what. Building railways and a bit of pillaging on the side was all in a century's work.
How is one to remove the raw materal and move troops to where folks are getting uppity without jolly splendid railways built by coolies, and what's more, using trains sold by the occupying nation?

First we hade to get rid of the European oppressors! We freed the Indians from their Portuguese bacalhau-munching tyrants. Then in the spirit of Adam Smith free trade gave the Indians the jobs as soldiers!

Then we built a lovely railway, which is still the national pride of India, the railway jobs being highly sought after dynastic attributes.

JavaScriptDonkey · Post by **JavaScriptDonkey** » 14 Aug 2011, 13:52

eatyourveg wrote:When all the analysis has come and gone, this is what we are left with.

THE RIOTERS PRAYER

Our father, who art in prison,
My mum knows not his name,
Thy Riots come, read it in the Sun,
In Birmingham, as it is in London,
Give us this day our Welfare bread & forgive us our looting, as we're happy to loot those who defend stuff against us,
Lead us not into employment but deliver us free housing,
For thine is the teles, the Burberry & the Barcardi, forever and ever...
Innit !!!!

More middle class right wing bollox.

So far we've seen a student, soldier, care worker and classroom assistant amongst the rioters but no doubt its easier to blame the poor/Jews/blacks/Poles/young.....anyone who isn't us.