I predict a riot!!!

[eatyourveg]

This comment is interesting:

In his coffee shop in Stoke Newington, Karagoz tried to explain another feature of these riots – why Turkish and Kurdish youths had generally not joined the looting.

"We have businesses and work hard for what we have. As parents we want our children to work, earn money and be able to buy what they want, not steal it. Our young people know we would be ashamed of them if they were doing this."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 ... hbourhoods

[biffvernon]

And in response to the Sikh community protecting shops somebody tweeted "We have to rely on the immigrants to protect our community".

Darcus Howe says it like it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxG ... dded#at=52

[Bandidoz]

And this is the predictable outcome of the hard-of-thinking becoming all political-like. It's almost enough to turn me into a Tory....(or at least bang their heads together and yell, "Shopkeepers are not the filthy rich")
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424

[Lord Beria3]

Yes, it is fascinating how the race dynamics of this are evolving. The Guardian are reporting in Handsworth (in midlands and I'm sure not the only place) that Asians are protecting their streets and businesses from the largely Afro-Caribbean mobs.

Handsworth has a history of race riots... and Birmingham had a explosive black versus asian riot in 2005. There is a danger that if the police can't get a grip on the situation in the next few days, asian communities across the country might start to percieve (unfairly of course) the largely black mobs as a aggressive attack on their communities from the black community and triggering mass racial riots across the midlands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handsworth_race_riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Birmingham_race_riots

The Birmingham riots of 2005 occurred on two consecutive nights on Saturday 22 October and Sunday 23 October 2005 in the Lozells area of Birmingham, England. The riots were derived from racial tensions between the Black British and South Asian British communities, with the spark for the riot being an alleged gang rape of a teenage black girl by a group of South Asian men. The rape allegation has never been substantiated. No evidence has been found to support the rumour nor has any victim come forward (further rumours asserted that this was because the victim was present in Britain unlawfully and feared deportation). The clashes involved groups of African-Caribbean and Asian men committing serious acts of violence against various targets from both communities. The riots were connected to the deaths of two men, 23-year-old Isiah Young-Sam and 18 year old Aaron James.

Before the riot police destroyed it, the Birmingham riots were on the brink of going national with various black and asian gangsters about to send armed gangs to various parts of the midlands to 'protect' their communities. This is how certain parts of the country will quickly shift into a low level civil war unless decisive and brutal military/police action is taken at the beginning.

Let me make clear that this is not going to happen right now - but this is a dress rehearsal for what is coming down the line as we transition into the authoritarian age of Scarcity Industialism which could get VERY messy.

[Lord Beria3]

On a more positive note, I think it is wonderful to see the communities getting together to clean up their streets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ondon.html

Who says the Big Society can't work eh! This is the side of Britain that gives me hope, people getting together, stuck in and sorting things out. We need to sort out the underclass - and suspend some of our liberal/human rights sensitivies in the coming years - but the solid decent majority of Britain are still very much around.

[Lord Beria3]

Guardian reporter Paul Lewis described the scenes on Kingsland Road, Hackney, as Turkish men clashed with youths, tweeting: 'Kingsland Road chaotic as Turkish men attack other, predominantly black, youths with sticks, metal barricades and bricks.'

In a further tweet Mr Lewis quoted a man carrying a stick as saying: 'This is Turkish Kurdish area. They come to our shops and we fight them with sticks.' South of the river in Tooting, near to Clapham, where high streets were ravaged, Asian shopkeepers shut up

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... shops.html

[madibe]

3rd rifles on standby...BBC news

[Lord Beria3]

http://gyronny.com/2011/08/09/parliamen ... ndonriots/

I suspect that I was not the only person re-reading the Civil Contingencies Act 2004 (c.36).

The Act states that


27. (1) Where emergency regulations are made–

(a) a senior Minister of the Crown shall as soon as is reasonably practicable lay the regulations before Parliament, and


(b) the regulations shall lapse at the end of the period of seven days beginning with the date of laying unless during that period each House of Parliament passes a resolution approving them.


Any such regulations could have quite a wide range of powers as can be illustrated by quoting section 22 of the Act

Parliament meeting on thursday.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/0 ... encies-act

Curfews, bans on travel, assembly and "other specified activities", confiscation of property with or without compensation, and, most drastically, the deployment of the armed forces on the streets to quell disorder are among options open to ministers under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004.

Although ministers have appeared to rule out the use of troops, the sweeping powers in their locker include "any provision which the person making the regulations is satisfied is appropriate" to protect human life, health and safety and protect or restore property and supplies of money, food, water, energy or fuel.

People disobeying or obstructing such instructions could be hauled before a special court or tribunal

Deploying armed forces on the streets would require ministers to go through an extra hoop. Only after the act has been invoked could the defence council of the Ministry of Defence – chaired by the defence secretary and including other ministers, the chief of defence staff and other service chiefs and senior civil servants – be asked to authorise their use to quell civil disorder.

That request would be made by the Home Office under an arrangement called military aid to the civil authorities, although this arrangement always needed the use of the act.

If by thursday the police haven't got a grip of the situation I wouldn't be surprised if the above is enacted and the army put on the street.

[Ludwig]

If by thursday the police haven't got a grip of the situation I wouldn't be surprised if the above is enacted and the army put on the street.

Yesterday some police bod was warning parents to make sure their children weren't in the vicinity of the riots. I took this as a possible indication that heavier intervention is in the offing.

[featherstick]

On a more positive note, I think it is wonderful to see the communities getting together to clean up their streets.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ondon.html

Who says the Big Society can't work eh! This is the side of Britain that gives me hope, people getting together, stuck in and sorting things out. We need to sort out the underclass - and suspend some of our liberal/human rights sensitivies in the coming years - but the solid decent majority of Britain are still very much around.

Unfortunately, the assembled volunteers weren't allowed to help due to the "Health and Safety"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rules.html

Beyond satire.

[biffvernon]

The creative side: http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

(clue in the title)

[DominicJ]

They closed the tram/train/bus routes last night.

But cars arent essential are they.....

Luckily, I'm well off enough to afford a taxi home.
There were young girls crying on the tram platform, last night. A taxi ride home was an expense they just couldnt afford.
Couldnt tell you if they risked walking through fighting or not.

The governments reaction to this has been appaling.
On the second day, it should have recruited thousands of special constables and crushed the looters.
I know I know, Biff said that would just encourage more riots, but look what the "softly softly" approach did....

[biffvernon]

No Dom, I would not have said that. Every single crime represents a failure of policing but is inevitable given the failure to address the underlying causes.

[DominicJ]

Biff
You did say that.

When it was suggested that the riot be brought back into force, and looters shot.

You said "If you did that, there would be riots in every city the next day".

But as it turned out, there are now riots in many major cities.
The police continue to follow your approved "softly softly" approach and the looters grow more and more bold.

[biffvernon]

Please stop writing rubbish, Dom. Arresting rioters is one thing shooting them is another. If the police start shooting rioters I might join the rioters. Killing people is not a smart way to prevent crime. Fortunately even our government has more sense.