Worst ever carbon emissions leave climate on the brink

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 30 May 2011, 17:35

snow hope wrote:
JohnB wrote:Why is everyone going on about CO2 again? World football is in crisis, so can't people get their priorities right?

That made me laugh out loud John!

It wasn't supposed to be a joke. It was some some mix of irony, cynicism and sarcasm

.

And I have absolutely no interest in bloody football, in case Fred Drift wants to start discussing it!

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 30 May 2011, 17:47

A pity the world didn't pay more attention to Jimmy Carter.

Now I know one can't ascribe a single weather event to climate change, but I will anyway. Today it has rained. The first really significant rain since 27th February. A new record has been broken for spring drought in Lincolnshire.

The rain has come too late for the grass in our field. Yesterday we had a walk round our field, surveyed the dead grass and decided not to cut the hay crop this year. It's cost us £300. Still, all the little herbs, vetches and trefoils and such are flowering away better than ever.

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 30 May 2011, 17:52

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UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 30 May 2011, 17:56

biffvernon wrote:A pity the world didn't pay more attention to Jimmy Carter.

Now I know one can't ascribe a single weather event to climate change, but I will anyway. Today it has rained. The first really significant rain since 27th February. A new record has been broken for spring drought in Lincolnshire.

We are still waiting in Sussex.

RenewableCandy · Post by **RenewableCandy** » 30 May 2011, 22:24

RGR wrote:an abundance of water

that's OUR FECKIN' LIMEY RAIN give it back you b***ards

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Oh yeah and they did predict GW would bring more snow...

RGR · Post by **RGR** » 30 May 2011, 22:44

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snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 31 May 2011, 13:02

biffvernon wrote:A pity the world didn't pay more attention to Jimmy Carter.

Now I know one can't ascribe a single weather event to climate change, but I will anyway. Today it has rained. The first really significant rain since 27th February. A new record has been broken for spring drought in Lincolnshire.

The rain has come too late for the grass in our field. Yesterday we had a walk round our field, surveyed the dead grass and decided not to cut the hay crop this year. It's cost us £300. Still, all the little herbs, vetches and trefoils and such are flowering away better than ever.

Thank goodness they hadn't invented climate change in the mid seventies. In those long hot, dry summers (in the UK), they just blamed the droughts on the weather and its normal variability. The same goes for the dust bowl in the US during the nineteen thirties and beyond - global warming gone crazy......

Come to think of it what was the cause of all the drenchings we have had in various parts of the UK during the last 4 summers? Oh, yea climate change....... you have to laugh.

And the coldest December ever recorded in Ireland - yep Climate Change....

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 31 May 2011, 13:21

snow hope wrote:
Thank goodness they hadn't invented climate change in the mid seventies. In those long hot, dry summers (in the UK), they just blamed the droughts on the weather and its normal variability. The same goes for the dust bowl in the US during the nineteen thirties and beyond - global warming gone crazy......

Come to think of it what was the cause of all the drenchings we have had in various parts of the UK during the last 4 summers?

Look at the temperatures. In particular, global temperatures.

Oh, yea climate change....... you have to laugh. And the coldest December ever recorded in Ireland - yep Climate Change....

And the melting glaciers and ice caps?

Do you disagree with the science of the greenhouse effect?

This is one instance where Occam's Razor can be applied meaningfully. We know the world is getting dramatically warmer. We know that there are more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than for many millennia. We know that greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere. If you know otherwise on any of these issues, what is your evidence? Extrapolating global patterns from the view out of your window is not science!

Besides, as I mentioned, even in most of the rainy summer months over the past few years, temperatures in the UK have still been above average, so even the "view out of my window" argument doesn't stand up.

If you doubt what I'm saying, look at the Met Office's monthly climate statistics for the past decade or so: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 01 Jun 2011, 19:42

snow hope wrote:
biffvernon wrote:A pity the world didn't pay more attention to Jimmy Carter.

Now I know one can't ascribe a single weather event to climate change, but I will anyway. Today it has rained. The first really significant rain since 27th February. A new record has been broken for spring drought in Lincolnshire.

The rain has come too late for the grass in our field. Yesterday we had a walk round our field, surveyed the dead grass and decided not to cut the hay crop this year. It's cost us £300. Still, all the little herbs, vetches and trefoils and such are flowering away better than ever.
Thank goodness they hadn't invented climate change in the mid seventies. In those long hot, dry summers (in the UK), they just blamed the droughts on the weather and its normal variability. The same goes for the dust bowl in the US during the nineteen thirties and beyond - global warming gone crazy......

Come to think of it what was the cause of all the drenchings we have had in various parts of the UK during the last 4 summers? Oh, yea climate change....... you have to laugh. And the coldest December ever recorded in Ireland - yep Climate Change....

Please don't say this is you Snow:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 011253286/

snow hope · Post by **snow hope** » 01 Jun 2011, 23:28

Caught on - guilty as charged!

But you got to admit it is funny when you hear,

a) prolonged hot and sunny weather - caused by climate change
b) prolonged cold and snowy weather - caused by climate change
c) prolonged wet and cloudy summer - caused by climate change
d) stormy weather - caused by climate change
e) dry, warm spring - caused by climate change

etc.

And I still remember the 15 years it was just called global warming.....

Post by **kenneal - lagger** » 02 Jun 2011, 04:51

The prediction is for more extreme weather events and we have certainly had that, as has the US, as recorded by RGR. The world insurance industry has noted it as well.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 49cb5d.3d1

BERLIN — Catastrophic floods in Pakistan, wildfires in Russia, hurricanes in Mexico: 2010 has so far been an "exceptional" year for weather disasters, German reinsurance giant Munich Re said Thursday.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/02/0 ... XG20110209

t's a tough time to be in the $500 billion U.S. property insurance business. Storms are happening in places they never happened before, at intensities they have never reached before and at times of year when they didn't used to happen.

Those bizarre weather patterns damage not just homes but also insurance companies' financials. If seas rise and houses flood, insurers pay. If winds shift and buildings blow down, they also pay. If temperatures rise and crops fail, same thing.