Nuclear accident follows Japanese earthqauke

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However, a group of middle-aged volunteers have said they are willing to step in and put their lives at risk.

"My acquaintances and I talked very intensively about the accident and about how we could help contain the disaster," explained 72-year-old Yasuteru Yamada who came up with the idea.
They're very polite in Japan and I'm pleased to know that I am still middle aged.

Are you volunteering, Inspector. You must be about the right age and this cause should be right up your street. You could even get a free holiday in Japan. After all, as you say, no one has died because of a nuclear accident have they.
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All sorts of stuff is emerging:

http://www2.jnes.go.jp/atom-db/en/troub ... /news.html

It seems that last year a three tonne loading machine dropped into the Monju sodium cooled fast breeder reactor. They're having trouble retrieving it. The manager committed suicide.

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/05/main ... up-to.html
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Radiation levels at reactor no. 1 at Fukushima have been recorded at 204 Sieverts per hour (yes Sieverts - not micro, not milli but Sieverts):

http://enenews.com/radiation-dose-react ... ur-drywell

Sudden surge in readings over past 3 days (as if the previous readings weren't high enough) :shock: :shock: :shock:
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5/25 @ 204 Sv/hr
5/24 @ 192 Sv/hr
5/23 @ 201 Sv/hr
5/22 @ 196 Sv/hr
5/21 @ 36.2 Sv/hr
5/20 @ 46.5 Sv/hr
5/19 @ 36.3 Sv/hr
5/18 @ 45.4 Sv/hr

I had to go find this guide again to put the readings into context, pretty worrying really.

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mr brightside wrote:5/25 @ 204 Sv/hr
5/24 @ 192 Sv/hr
5/23 @ 201 Sv/hr
5/22 @ 196 Sv/hr
5/21 @ 36.2 Sv/hr
5/20 @ 46.5 Sv/hr
5/19 @ 36.3 Sv/hr
5/18 @ 45.4 Sv/hr
So that's an improvement in the last few days then. Instant death, rather than a slow, painful one :D.
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Not sure that the figures mean the radiation is increasing or that they're getting working instruments into new places. The drywell is where the corium, the molten fixture of fuel and its assemblies, has landed up after melting it's way through the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel. It's a material that should not be seen by life as we know it.
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Mr B,

You sure this way huge radiation surge is correct?

It's just that the Lamestream Media haven't sparked, and I obviously trust their word over any PowerSwitcher's research. Their big story today is the Mladic arrest. And Cheryl Cole apparently is soon to be signing on for 6 months' contribution-based jobseeker's allowance. :shock:
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biffvernon wrote:Not sure that the figures mean the radiation is increasing or that they're getting working instruments into new places. The drywell is where the corium, the molten fixture of fuel and its assemblies, has landed up after melting it's way through the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel. It's a material that should not be seen by life as we know it.
So it would be a sign then, that the core has continued it's journey downward? I failed to notice that the sample point was the drywell, i assumed it was somewhere outside the building.
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Has anyone noticed that the spinning Inspector keeps well away when there's bad news about?
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Oh good, that's a huge relief then. Only the drywell? I can go back to watching the trial of Nice Uncle Ratko and the tribulations of Our Geordie Cheryl.

:roll:

Edit: Just checked the Indy, Grauniad, Torygraph and British Broadcasting Corporation. No mention, so it really can't be anything to bother about. But Carla's expecting, which is nice, if you actually like sprogs and all that.

My search results also offered this -

Fukushima Hotels
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They come with their own heating... :)
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Mean Mr Mustard wrote:Fukushima Hotels
Popular Hotels in Fukushima, Japan Book Online Now!
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I expect you'll get a very good discount in exchange for a little short duration work! Say 15 to 20 minutes per day.
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What will have become of the reactor's control rods, is the Boron only effective for as long as the reactor remains physically intact? Assuming for a moment that No1 has suffered a full core meltdown, at what point will the control rods have become ineffective?
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mr brightside wrote:What will have become of the reactor's control rods, is the Boron only effective for as long as the reactor remains physically intact? Assuming for a moment that No1 has suffered a full core meltdown, at what point will the control rods have become ineffective?
The control rods and all the metal from the fuel cladding, tubes and structure that makes up the fuel assembly will have melted to form a lava-like mess known as corium. Some or all of it will have melted its way through the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel and fallen into the bottom of the dry-well and torus. It might go even further into the soil below but will probably not have got far before solidifying, rather than heading towards Argentina.

Each boron nucleus only absorbs one neutron so it soon gets 'used up' and has to be replaced with fresh boron. Some of the water that has been poured into the reactors has had boron added and may have done some good, depending on where it went.

There is a theoretical possibility that re-criticality can occur in the corium and there has been much discussion about the iodine 131 (half-life 8 days) measurements that, if high, might indicate continued chain reaction proceeding. The uncertainties about the reliability of the data and the various possibilities for iodine getting concentrated mean that the debate continues but there are many folk who understand these things who acknowledge the likelihood that some fission reaction continued for some periods after the reactors were shut down.
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biffvernon wrote:
mr brightside wrote:What will have become of the reactor's control rods, is the Boron only effective for as long as the reactor remains physically intact? Assuming for a moment that No1 has suffered a full core meltdown, at what point will the control rods have become ineffective?
The control rods and all the metal from the fuel cladding, tubes and structure that makes up the fuel assembly will have melted to form a lava-like mess known as corium. Some or all of it will have melted its way through the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel and fallen into the bottom of the dry-well and torus. It might go even further into the soil below but will probably not have got far before solidifying, rather than heading towards Argentina.

Each boron nucleus only absorbs one neutron so it soon gets 'used up' and has to be replaced with fresh boron. Some of the water that has been poured into the reactors has had boron added and may have done some good, depending on where it went.

There is a theoretical possibility that re-criticality can occur in the corium and there has been much discussion about the iodine 131 (half-life 8 days) measurements that, if high, might indicate continued chain reaction proceeding. The uncertainties about the reliability of the data and the various possibilities for iodine getting concentrated mean that the debate continues but there are many folk who understand these things who acknowledge the likelihood that some fission reaction continued for some periods after the reactors were shut down.
Thanks Biff. I recall earlier in the thread there were reports of Boric Acid being added to the water they were spraying. To what extent are the destructive properties of the corium attributable to fission reactions? Would it be too much of a leap of faith to assume that recriticality is either occurring or close to occurring given that corium has eaten through the reactor pressure vessel? Or would residual heat from normal operation be sufficient to drive the process in the absence of adequete cooling in the early stages?
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