Stuck in a Lift

How will oil depletion affect the way we live? What will the economic impact be? How will agriculture change? Will we thrive or merely survive?

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Stuck in a Lift

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I often use an expression about not wanting to be stuck in a lift about people who I feel uneasy about being around which I guess neatly combines paranoia with clusterphobia (sic).

The coming days will be in many ways be analaogous to being stuck in a broken down lift with a small group of fellow passengers. There is a tendency on this forum to obsess about nuts and bolts techy hardware and macro economic stuff but these may be of much less importance than we think.

It may well happen that discussions of the precise reason the lift has ceased to function, how spare parts may be sourced and paid for will fade in significance compared to how we are going to rub along with the limited but diverse range of folks we happen to be stuck in the lift with.

Folks who appear to have all the technical and social skills and the trappings of success may come to pieces when moved outside their dominating comfort zone whilst some unpromising looking drones may well excell.

Every teenager wearing a hoody is not necessarily some atavistic monster with a knife whilst many pillars of society are anything but. And please do not get me going about unchristian christians!

Living in a rural area with a low permanent population, where even the most asocial have lots of opportunities to interact and discover lots about their neighbours, whether they want to or not, is certainly very educational in this respect.

Apart from some local head cases and the terminally self obsessed I generally have a very high regard for my neighbours especially those engaged in agriculture and working with animals.

I have noticed particular concern many people on this forum have with the other occupants of the areas where they live and how they might react under increased pressure and wonder how much of this is based on perception rather than reality.
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I live in a street which probably has the highest density of university professors outside of the tenured streets of Cambridge itself. It is a street where 'quality of life' and 'family values' at least superficially count for more than absolute income, although I don't think anyone is poor either. Social and academic standing also have their place, I think we rather lower the tone of the neighbourhood. :)

That said, it is a street so embedded in its own comfort zone I have no idea what will happen if economic reality ever caught up with it. I hope that people start walking the walk rather than talking the talk, but it is too early to tell.
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Ralph, I wonder whether you'll find that people wedded to their top spot in a very hierarchical system will struggle when job title counts for nought and practical skills count for everything.
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Roger Adair wrote:I
I have noticed particular concern many people on this forum have with the other occupants of the areas where they live.
Tell me about it!!

I have Kate and Wills as neighbours. Gawd Knows what use they will be when PO kicks in.
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stumuzz wrote:
Roger Adair wrote:I
I have noticed particular concern many people on this forum have with the other occupants of the areas where they live.
Tell me about it!!

I have Kate and Wills as neighbours. Gawd Knows what use they will be when PO kicks in.
Shouldn't be a problem, dad’s been aware of PO for years. Will and Kate can work at Highgrove; horses pulling ploughs, organic – and (presumably) well protected by HRH's government.

I’ll be at the gates saying “Giz a job, go on, giz us a job.”
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I have a neighbour who is a professor of egyptology. I haven't decided yet whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.
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woodpecker wrote:I have a neighbour who is a professor of egyptology. I haven't decided yet whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.
I reckon his career would be in ruins.
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RalphW wrote:That said, it is a street so embedded in its own comfort zone I have no idea what will happen if economic reality ever caught up with it. I hope that people start walking the walk rather than talking the talk, but it is too early to tell.
Since you are from Cambridge have you come across the folks from Cambridge Carbon Footprint? They run Carbon Conversations groups for people like us to let the 'others' know how things are going to be and how they might like to start thinking and doing now to prepare for later. www.carbonconversations.org
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emordnilap wrote:
woodpecker wrote:I have a neighbour who is a professor of egyptology. I haven't decided yet whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.
I reckon his career would be in ruins.
:lol: very good!
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tomhitchman wrote:
Since you are from Cambridge have you come across the folks from Cambridge Carbon Footprint? They run Carbon Conversations groups for people like us to let the 'others' know how things are going to be and how they might like to start thinking and doing now to prepare for later. www.carbonconversations.org
Yes I know them, they are one of the better groups in the area. I borrowed their thermal imaging camera to do thermal surveys of houses in my village.

I did one of their domestic carbon footprint surveys and scored nearly top marks! [/ smug git mode off]
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energy-village wrote:
emordnilap wrote:
woodpecker wrote:I have a neighbour who is a professor of egyptology. I haven't decided yet whether that is a good thing or a bad thing.
I reckon his career would be in ruins.
:lol: very good!
Yes and when it all goes pear-shaped I bet he'll cry for his Mummy...
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Pharaoh nuff.
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RalphW wrote:
Yes I know them, they are one of the better groups in the area. I borrowed their thermal imaging camera to do thermal surveys of houses in my village.

I did one of their domestic carbon footprint surveys and scored nearly top marks! [/ smug git mode off]
Ralph are the profs leaking a lot of hot air?
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RenewableCandy wrote:
energy-village wrote:
emordnilap wrote: I reckon his career would be in ruins.
:lol: very good!
Yes and when it all goes pear-shaped I bet he'll cry for his Mummy...
He'll get his just deserts.
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emordnilap wrote:
RenewableCandy wrote:
energy-village wrote: :lol: very good!
Yes and when it all goes pear-shaped I bet he'll cry for his Mummy...
He'll get his just deserts.
He may be suckered in by a pyramid scheme......
Overconfidence, not just expert overconfidence but general overconfidence,
is one of the most common illusions we experience. Stan Robinson
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