Moderator: Peak Moderation
Eh?The Bush/Obama oligarchy, are in cahoots to deceive the American public with last nights supposed "death" of Obama
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There is more, I highly recommend reading this article, far superior to the so-called 'analysis' in the lamestream media...The obvious conclusion to be drawn is that bin Laden—as many have suspected—had enjoyed, at least until very recently, high level protection from powerful forces in the Pakistani government, military and intelligence agencies.
Although Obama called on the country to “give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who’ve worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome,” the major factor in the killing of bin Laden was, quite clearly, a shift in the position of his long-time protectors in the Pakistani state. For reasons that will eventually emerge, the Pakistani regime decided to toss bin Laden overboard.
If this is the case, and Asian Times is a fantastic resource on whats going on in Asian politics, than Pakistan really is in the shit. It will have the radical Islamist forces turning on the military and its already shaky relationship with the West falling up with the realisation that the Pakistanti ISI have been protecting Bin Laden for YEARS!On the basis of interaction with top al-Qaeda leaders, this correspondent has no doubt in predicting that Operation Osama Bin Laden marks the beginning of a shift of the main war theater from Afghanistan to Pakistan and that all previous efforts for reconciliation between Pakistani militants and Pakistan will be sabotaged and all guns will turn towards the Pakistani military establishment.
I think this is a very good analysis. The western media is focused on America, when the real politics is centred on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. There is a domestic political angle for Obama, as this assassination is the de facto start of his reelection bid for 2012 - and what better way to start than with the killing of Public Enemy No.1?!It is hard to conclude otherwise that Bin Laden died this week because people who knew his whereabouts chose this particular moment to inform the US authorities. What has changed? The simple answer is: everything has changed. Instability in the Muslim world has reached a level that makes Bin Laden redundant.
The overthrow of Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and the near-overthrow of Yemini President Ali Abdullah Saleh, along with the eruption of instability across the whole of the Arab world, changed al-Qaeda's position. From Riyadh's vantage point, Bin Laden was a loose cannon and an annoyance, but no threat to the strategic position of Saudi Arabia.
The royal family preferred to allow some of its more radically-inclined members to provide support to Bin Laden on a covert basis in return for al-Qaeda's de facto agreement to leave the Arabian Peninsula in peace. As a WikiLeaks cable revealed, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton wrote in a secret December 2009 memo, "More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Toiba] and other terrorist groups."
The Saudis, moreover, have an interest in cleaning up the terrorist associations of the Pakistani military. As the Saudi cold war with Iran grows increasingly hot, Riyadh may look towards Islamabad for military support. Asia Times Online has reported that the Bahrain National Guard already is recruiting Pakistani mercenaries.
Misplaced optimism?The Independent - 02/05/11
Stock markets around the world received a boost today from the news that Osama bin Laden was dead, with the event also triggering a fall in oil prices.
Confirmation from US president Barack Obama that the world's most wanted man had been killed helped to lift markets in late trading in Asia.
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Do I have to answer this point by point? Or will "it was a post on a forum.. that you've mis-read to some degree" do?Ludwig wrote:If it was stupid to dump the body at sea, then why did they do it?postie wrote: But yeah... it was stupid to dump the body in the sea right now. They should have got the press in. If only to stop the stupid conspiracy theorists wing-nuts from going into overdrive of apoplectic masturbatory glee from which they are now forming a whole fresh bunch of insanely stupid, boring and frankly weird set of mistaken theories that they're going to inflict on the rest of the interwebs for the coming years...
Can you explain where you get the authority to decree suspicions about these events "mistaken"? If you can't do better than rants and insults, I can't help but wonder what you base your version of events on other than the unshakable conviction of your own innate wisdom.
I don't trust anything our governments tell us about what they have been doing in the Middle East for the past 20 years, and I don't credit someone who believes them with much of a critical faculty.
Hopefully it will send the price of gold back down a bit....Aurora wrote:Misplaced optimism?The Independent - 02/05/11
Stock markets around the world received a boost today from the news that Osama bin Laden was dead, with the event also triggering a fall in oil prices.
Confirmation from US president Barack Obama that the world's most wanted man had been killed helped to lift markets in late trading in Asia.
Article continues ...
Aye, funny-sad, not funny-haha. Very few are capable of realising, let alone accepting, no-one has a right to end another's life. That goes for O*ama too.biffvernon wrote:There seems to be joyous celebration around the world that four people have been killed. Even people who adhere to one or other of the Abrahamic faiths, who hold as a commandment "Thou shallt not kill" seem to be celebrating.
Funny old world.
But where does this law come from? It is certainly not one recognised in all cultures. For most of prehistory communities were tribal, and killing members of other communities (and, in many cases, raping their women) was positively approved of. In the supposedly idyllic lives of primitive societies that continue to exist, murder is a constant feature.emordnilap wrote: Aye, funny-sad, not funny-haha. Very few are capable of realising, let alone accepting, no-one has a right to end another's life. That goes for O*ama too.
We have already been told, in a conveniently timely manner, just one week ago.ujoni08 wrote:Uh-oh. I wonder where this is going to lead...
WASHINGTON: Al-Qaida terrorists have threatened to unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" on the West if their leader and world's most wanted terrorist Osama bin Laden is nabbed.
A senior al-Qaida commander has claimed that the terror group has stashed away a nuclear bomb in Europe which will be detonated if bin Laden is ever caught or assassinated, according to new top secret files made public by internet whistleblower WikiLeaks.
Eternal Sunshine wrote: I wouldn't want to worry you with the truth.
My point was that this law is a rather fundamental part of the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. It occurs throughout much of the eastern religions too.Ludwig wrote: But where does this law come from? It is certainly not one recognised in all cultures.
