UK large-scale study on the impact of weight-loss surgery

[JohnB]

Or to put it another way, the aperture at the front is much larger than the orifice at the rear. Go work it out.

As some people use the smaller orifice at the rear for talking out of too, it's no surprise that the food stays in the body .

[MrG]

Nah Dom just a high metabolism. The guy is just generally hyper. Was a seriously herperactive child. Simple experiment. Me and him drink a cup of mushroom tea each at the same time (we do this often he's my number one favourite tripping partner).

25 minutes later he's already feeling the effects and saying 'god are you sure we didn't do too much' <me> "no no it's fine I counted them in"

I have a slooow metabolism... 45 mins.. an hour later and I'm still only getting the slightest tickle but I'll be giggling my tits off long after he's straightened out and normal again.

At one point I could get pot noodles at 15p each off a guy at the wharehouse.. this same guy bought 2 massive sacks off me and ate them breakfast, dinner and tea!! He actually said to me (verbatim)

"I can't understand why anyone eats anything else" <except pot noodles> "when pot noodles are so cheap"

I mean seriously!! And all the time he's refusing to eat my "dirty allotment food"

LB yeah I guess your right.. I was just trying to show her it is possible to eat cheaply. Dinner for me = some rice + some stuff I grew (most of it onions I grew at 0.5p each). She on the other hand basically eats chocolate and meat

F--k it each to their own though hey!

[Keela]

I think appetite is something that is often over looked.

It is not just about self control. Yes of course there are times when we recognise that we are using self control and for some of us it is easy.

Yet for others there just aren't the same biological mechanisms. The "turn off hunger" switch is rusty!

Think about Christmas Day and how much you eat and when you stop. It's one day when I always just eat what I want.... at some point I get full and then I stop. So what makes me stop? There must be some internal setting that finally (even in the face of some very tempting nibbles) says "enough".

I have no doubt that if that setting got altered, then I would perhaps eat more.

So what is "hunger" and what is "greed"?

Perhaps skinny folk just have a better oiled "turn off the hunger" switch so the message gets through?

I also wonder if our high wheat/corn/soya based modern diet can flip that switch somehow. Does past diet somehow change the hunger setting switch?

Just a few ramblings.........

[UndercoverElephant]

I think I'm just lucky too. I don't gain or lose weight, whatever I do. Eat a lot or a little, exercise or no exercise, my weight stays 68 Kg. Just checked my body mass index. It is 21.2, for my height of 1.79 metres. The normal range for BMI is 18.5 to 24.9.

Here's the calculator:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/tools/bmi_c ... /bmi.shtml

Jon

Yeah, I come out at 18.2.

[UndercoverElephant]

UE/UJ
Drink loads of beer, that'll put some fat on your heart.

I consume, on average, about 5 cans of beer per day.

[Keela]

Hurrrrumph.... 25.1 Need to cut out the wine and butter again!

[emordnilap]

I think I'm just lucky too. I don't gain or lose weight, whatever I do. Eat a lot or a little, exercise or no exercise, my weight stays 68 Kg. Just checked my body mass index. It is 21.2, for my height of 1.79 metres. The normal range for BMI is 18.5 to 24.9.

Here's the calculator:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/tools/bmi_c ... /bmi.shtml

Jon

Yeah, I come out at 18.2.

That's a handy little calculator. Mine's 23.

[JohnB]

That's a handy little calculator. Mine's 23.

I don't know if I've got any scales. They may be some of the stuff that went in my efforts to simplify my life!

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

You're all very light, my daily dumps weigh more.

[Aurora]

Iyengar classes

Slimming clubs

Hyper-storage mode

Leptin resistant

Mark's Daily Apple website

Atkins diet

Obesity is a metabolic disorder

Forget the science and the marketing jargon, all one needs to do is eat the right food in the right proportions and exercise regularly.

I'm afraid that I have to keep referring back to the fifties and early sixties for the best dietary guidance.

THERE WERE NO OVERWEIGHT OR OBESE PEOPLE BECAUSE CHEAP, PROCESSED FOOD WASN'T AVAILABLE AND PEOPLE EXERCISED REGULARLY.

No computer games, no TV, no ready meals, no McDonald's, no KFC, no Burger King or any of the other purveyors of shite now commonly found on the high street.

Children with time on their hands used to play / exercise from dawn till dusk. Adults used to burn off excess energy by indulging in sport or gardening activities.

It's time for folks in the UK to get a grip. Time to stop swallowing the 'American Dream' with all of it's sedentary habits and getting back to a healthy and active lifestyle.

[MrG]

Keela.. lot's of interesting research on Anandamide which is worth reading up on. It modulate's that hunger / satiety 'switch' your talking about from what I recall.

I also wonder if our high wheat/corn/soya based modern diet can flip that switch somehow. Does past diet somehow change the hunger setting switch?

I know a (maybe not so) crazy guy who's trying to completely remove tryptophan from his diet (it's a precursor of seretonin) he reckons that basically it is a drug and that in modern society we are all hooked on it. It is (he say's) something that came about with agriculture. It is basically farmed food's (particularly milk) that are high in tryptophan. So he's essentially hankering back to a hunter gatherer diet - he eats a lot of seeds, fruit, meat - completely won't touch bread or milk.

He reckons it explains the prevelance of the use of other drugs in our society, alcohol, caffeine, whatever else, that we are already doped on tryptophan so we are trying to always counter that with other drugs, particularly stimulants, particularly caffeine and nicotine.

Very out there ideas which I don't 'get' well enough to explain / do him justice. Interesting though.

[RenewableCandy]

An obese person can sometimes be eating quite a modest diet, but be switched into a "famine-storage" mode, and so keep putting on the weight rather than burning off the calories. This is why many calorie constriction diets simply don't work.

There exists such a thing as "Thrifty phenotype" which basically says, somebody can be born in this "famine mode". It's caused by stress or bad nutrition in the mother during pregnancy. Though why there's more of it now than in days gone by is a bloody mystery to me.

[Kieran]

I have no doubt that if that setting got altered, then I would perhaps eat more.

So what is "hunger" and what is "greed"?

Perhaps skinny folk just have a better oiled "turn off the hunger" switch so the message gets through?

It's pretty easy to change that "hunger switch" - mostly people who overeat simply disregard those feelings of fullness coming from the stomach because they're eating out of boredom or some kind of emotional neediness. You're also more likely to gain weight if your friends overeat - the urge to eat similarly to fit in overiding that switch. I suspect that's part of why obesity is becoming so widespread. We do like to fit in with our peer groups. The numbers of obese people reaching a critical mass, so to speak

Interestingly, I remember talking to a clinical psychologist in the mid 80's. His observation was that the severely obese patients tended to have the most difficult and intractable underlying psychological problems.

I doubt anyone gets to be 30 or 40 stone simply because they're greedy.


Way to go Aurora. You've actually managed to make DomJ seem like a reasonable and understanding human being in comparison to your rants on this subject. Did you get bullied at school for being tubby or something?

[Kentucky Fried Panda]

[Aurora]

Way to go Aurora. You've actually managed to make DomJ seem like a reasonable and understanding human being in comparison to your rants on this subject. Did you get bullied at school for being tubby or something?

Definitely not. Why? Because most of the children in my school weren't overweight.

You should all listen to yourselves.

Hunger switch. Metabolism. Famine storage mode. Thrifty phenotype. Modulate the hunger / satiety 'switch'.



This may come as a shock folks. Most of the terminology mentioned above didn't even exist in the fifties / sixties and guess what - people, generally, weren't overweight.

Some may have been depressed but because cheap processed food wasn't readily available, they didn't have the opportunity to self-pityingly gorge themselves on trash.

Today, everything has changed.

I'm depressed.
I'm unhappy.
I'm in debt.
My boss hates me.
My partner doesn't understand me.
My mortgage interest repayments have gone up by 0.25%
I can't control the kids.
My social worker isn't helping me.

Etc. Etc. Etc..

Every conceivable excuse it would seem to avoid the blindingly obvious truth. I'M EATING TOO MUCH and NOT EXERCISING ENOUGH.