March 11th 2011

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 16 Mar 2011, 08:22

biffvernon wrote:bad link - not working automatically - copy and past whole line into browser:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang!_%28hardcore%29

He makes some pretty good music.

Yes, I figured that out... Still don't see the relevance!

featherstick · Post by **featherstick** » 16 Mar 2011, 08:27

biffvernon wrote:It's a striking image at http://troubledtimes.co.uk

Obviously some long-term and complicated viral marketing campaign for Omega watches.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 16 Mar 2011, 08:44

A Google search for troubledtimes.co.uk turns up the following line:

If March 11th passes without incident, I will drop it down again, but until then, be vigilant, and don't listen to people that haven't ...

It's all very strange. He'll probably sign up again on the 21st December 2012.

caspian · Post by **caspian** » 16 Mar 2011, 09:02

Before we all get too carried away, let's remember that TT's warning's about 11 March relate to the Saudi protests, which IIRC didn't bring about the fall of western civilisation. If he'd predicted an earthquake in Japan on 11 March, that would've been slightly more remarkable, although Japan is not exactly a stranger to earthquakes.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 16 Mar 2011, 14:40

biffvernon wrote:It's a striking image at http://troubledtimes.co.uk

It's a Biblical reference to the end time.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 16 Mar 2011, 14:42

caspian wrote:Before we all get too carried away, let's remember that TT's warning's about 11 March relate to the Saudi protests

Did they, though? I don't think they did, explicitly, although at the time of discussion it would have been a natural assumption to relate the two.

His fascination seems to have been with the date itself rather than a particular event.

emordnilap · Post by **emordnilap** » 16 Mar 2011, 15:10

Andy Hunt wrote:
caspian wrote:Before we all get too carried away, let's remember that TT's warning's about 11 March relate to the Saudi protests
Did they, though? I don't think they did, explicitly, although at the time of discussion it would have been a natural assumption to relate the two.

His fascination seems to have been with the date itself rather than a particular event.

Last post from An Inspector Calls was on the 11th...

I hope.

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 16 Mar 2011, 16:48

emordnilap wrote:Last post from An Inspector Calls was on the 11th...

I hope.

I'd noticed that. Just when a few nukes got a bit shaken about and wet, and maybe renewables became a bit more practical!

caspian · Post by **caspian** » 16 Mar 2011, 16:58

Andy Hunt wrote:Did they, though? I don't think they did, explicitly, although at the time of discussion it would have been a natural assumption to relate the two.

If he'd meant it to be about something else, surely he would've said so? Too much mystery-mongering going on here, methinks. It doesn't sound in the least bit fishy or sinister to me.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 16 Mar 2011, 16:59

Andy Hunt wrote:
caspian wrote:Before we all get too carried away, let's remember that TT's warning's about 11 March relate to the Saudi protests
Did they, though? I don't think they did, explicitly, although at the time of discussion it would have been a natural assumption to relate the two.

His fascination seems to have been with the date itself rather than a particular event.

I wouldn't have thought anything of TT's post, except for the phrase "shock and awe". That didn't sound like a reference to Saudi protestors, but rather to something that America was up to :\

Maybe we are reading too much into it. If TT ever comes back, we can ask him. If not, it will always seem odd that he left the site after making that comment and deleting all his posts. I'm not jumping to conclusions, but I'm always curious why people do unusual things.

Post by **clv101** » 16 Mar 2011, 17:11

New blog post from TT today:
http://troubledtimes-co-uk.blogspot.com/

Tawney · Post by **Tawney** » 16 Mar 2011, 17:50

Let me say outright I don’t fear Bible prophecies, astrology or Mayan calendar end dates. I’ll leave those for the credulous. That only seems to leave me with (1) a coincidence or (2) Ludwig’s 1% chance that someone out there is able to conduct “experiments with artificial seismic activity” presumably involving the focusing of massive beams of energy from space – “Star Wars” or “Star War’ski” or “话/北方話”.

If the 1% possibility turns out to true it is a magnificent scientific achievement! Well done to all involved, you deserve a Nobel Prize and more. I’m amazed you could keep it quiet. With this technology all sorts of things may now be possible. But almost as extraordinary as the achievement would be the pointless use of it on an earthquake (earthquakes?) in Japan, perhaps Haiti and presumably the 2004 earthquake/tsunami. What would be the purpose? I have a feeling the explanation would require the mother of all conspiracy theories. Surely there’s no credible evidence? Indeed there’s probably more hard evidence for the existence of Father Christmas or alien abductions; neither of which I believe in.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 16 Mar 2011, 18:25

I'm sure you're all quite correct; there was just something nagging at me which prompted me to start this thread, that's all. I didn't even know it was TT who had made the comment, it had just stuck in my mind for some reason.

As you were.

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 16 Mar 2011, 19:53

Tawney wrote: If the 1% possibility turns out to true it is a magnificent scientific achievement! Well done to all involved, you deserve a Nobel Prize and more. I’m amazed you could keep it quiet.

I'm not making claims one way or the other about this instance, but on a general level - and does this really need stating? - breaches in security on military projects are taken very, very seriously indeed. There are plenty of examples of people being assassinated or sentenced to death - including in America - for blowing the whistle on military projects. The voice of your conscience would need to be very loud to do it - and if it was that loud, why would you be working on these kinds of projects in the first place?

With this technology all sorts of things may now be possible. But almost as extraordinary as the achievement would be the pointless use of it on an earthquake (earthquakes?) in Japan, perhaps Haiti and presumably the 2004 earthquake/tsunami. What would be the purpose? I have a feeling the explanation would require the mother of all conspiracy theories. Surely there’s no credible evidence? Indeed there’s probably more hard evidence for the existence of Father Christmas or alien abductions; neither of which I believe in.

That is a rather silly statement.

No, there is no direct evidence, and perhaps the balance of evidence is towards coincidence. But for every 9 coincidences that are just what they seem, one, upon investigation, will prove to be something more - and you don't know which one until you've looked at them all.

So to dismiss all coincidences as innocent without looking into them, and from that to conclude that there are no dark forces at work in the world, is every bit as naive as to believe every tinfoil hat theory you come across.

And there are coincidences and anomalies about this earthquake. It would have been a perfect opportunity to bury inconvenient news, and many of us were anticipating possible inconvenient news on precisely the day it happened. And it was by far the strongest earthquake to hit Japan for a generation, and by far the most destructive there ever. There does seem to have been an increase in the intensity of seismic activity over the past decade or two.

On a more general level: there are very good reasons for wanting to cause earthquakes, if you can. In a world heading towards unprecedented instabilty, and in which conventional military forces are already woefully overstretched even before the crisis has properly begun, wouldn't you be looking into ways of killing people and destroying other countries' infrastructure by vastly more efficient means?

This is also why I take seriously the possibility of artificial killer viruses being developed. There are two questions about these types of things: (i) Are they scientifically feasible; and (ii) If they are, are there likely to be people working on them? Your milage may vary, but the way I see it, if the answer to (i) is "Yes", the answer to (ii) is a no-brainer.

None of this is to say is that I "think" this earthquake was artificial - it's simply to say that I don't consider the possibility that it was, unthinkable.

Aurora · Post by **Aurora** » 16 Mar 2011, 20:06

In December 2006, Professor Okan Tuysuz, director of the Eurasia Institute of Earth Sciences at Istanbul's Technical University said: "We know the scale. We know the place. We just don't know exactly when, but there's a 65% probability that Istanbul will be hit by a 7.6 earthquake by 2030. That's a very high probability."

Earthquakes happen. Is Istanbul next?