Arab World's Turmoil May Spell Sudden Petrocollapse

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/mark ... -rout.html

The prospects of serious unrest in SA seem to be rising, if you trust the market.
Saudi Arabia’s Tadawul stock index has tumbled 11pc in wild trading over the past two days, led by banks and insurers. Dubai’s bourse has hit a 7-year low.

The latest sell-off was triggered by the arrest of a Shi’ite cleric in the Kingdom’s Eastern Province after he called for democratic reforms and a constitutional monarchy. The province is home to Saudi Arabia’s aggrieved Shi’ite minority and also holds the country’s vast Ghawar oilfield, placing it at the epicentre of global crude supply.

“Unrest in this region can have fatal consequences for the world,” said JBC Energy. “The plunge on the Saudi stock exchange can be interpreted as a sign of waning trust.”

In Bahrain, the island nation’s Sunni elite holds sway over a Shi’ite majority that is denied key jobs and has a token political voice, making it a trial run for Saudi Arabia’s near-identical tensions in the Eastern Province.
Seems to me that the 11th March is critical, if shit starts to happen, better start stockpilling food and water NOW before the masses wake up/and or severe disruption to global energy flows occurs.
Saudi activists have called on Facebook for a “Day of Rage” on March 11, despite the penalty of lashing for street protest. A similar call to arms in Syria fizzled because people were frightened, and the security forces nipped it in the bud. “We will be watching closely to see how many people turn up, and how far their demands go,” said Mr Abi Ali.

Saudi King Abdullah has scant leeway. His own legitimacy stems from Wahabi clerics, who refuse any compromise with the Shia. He is 87 and in poor health, raising the prospect of an imminent succession struggle that favours the hard-line interior minister Prince Nayef. He would undoubtedly crush any protests. The monarchy has sought to gain time by spending an extra $36bn (£22bn) on welfare and salaries, but patronage politics may strike the wrong note at this stage.

Whatever the hopes in the West, Mr Abi Ali said the Mid-East is now in the vortex of multiple uprisings that will create turmoil for years and destabilise oil supply for a long time. “The Arab world is not going to start behaving like the Swiss,” he said.
Irrespective of economic conditions, high prices are probably here to stay.
The Libyan crisis has brought forward an oil crunch that was likely to happen within three years or so, given the relentless decline of non-OPEC output in the North Sea and Mexico.

While the world can cope with the loss of Libyan crude for now, the stakes will rise sharply if one more country succumbs, and explode off the charts if Gulf monarchies lose their grip.
Peak oil is as much as geopolitical thing as a geological thing. Higher prices leads to social unrest, leading to political unrest, which leads to a collapse in investment by oil majors which means that much of the off-setting of the declines of the old big oil fields never occurs... increasing the pace of decline and thus the negative cycle of collapse.
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Ludwig wrote:I wonder how much longer the EU is going to last. There are so many irreconcilable differences in outlook and needs.
I heard a BBC radio interview with a journalist from the Times a few days ago (sorry didn't catch the name) who thought it was inevitable that the EU would eventually become the European Mediterranean Union (EMU) and include North Africa and parts of the Middle East!

I have heard this idea before, not unattractive for the US. Presumably the Euro would have had to have collapsed for practical reasons and because it is a dollar rival. Desperate times, desperate measures, I suppose. A giant EU-lite. It’s not an impossible scenario; significant energy resources – oil, gas, solar – guarded by a friendly military. Low labour costs, few welfare benefits, huge pool of manpower for the armed services (e.g. Turkey).
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France and Germany won't let Turkey into the EU because it's a Moslem nation so there's not much chance of letting the whole of north Africa in. The French have had enough trouble with Algeria in the past. I don't think they would want to go there again. The Germans regret the amount of Turkish immigration that they have allowed so they won't want to be flooded with a whole bunch of North Africans as well.
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Because it's a Moslem nation or because it's a relatively poor nation?
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When I read about it, it was a religious thing, Biff.
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Yeah, the two things get mixed up. If, for instance, Dubai just happened to be just offshore from Greece, would the Germans and French object to it joining the EU?
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Yes, Dubia is riddled with debt and had to be baled out by Abu Dhabi.
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Oh all right. How about if Abu Dhabi was parked off Denmark?
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Getting back on topic :wink: have you all seen the stuff starting to kick off in Saudi?
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kenneal wrote:France and Germany won't let Turkey into the EU because it's a Moslem nation so there's not much chance of letting the whole of north Africa in.
Zero chance.
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biffvernon wrote:Because it's a Moslem nation or because it's a relatively poor nation?
Both. Historically because it was a muslim nation but in the current situation the EU cannot absorb any poor regions either.
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biffvernon wrote:Oh all right. How about if Abu Dhabi was parked off Denmark?
Still wouldn't be acceptable. Can't have non-democracies in the EU.
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biffvernon wrote:Oh all right. How about if Abu Dhabi was parked off Denmark?
Still wouldn't be acceptable. Can't have non-democracies in the EU.
You are forgetting the 'wave of democratic revolutions across oil, gas and resource rich regions'. As for the other objections it is surprising how quickly folk change their minds when the alternative is life without easy access to cheap energy.

Not making a prediction, just running a possibility up the forum flagpole.
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maudibe wrote:Getting back on topic :wink: have you all seen the stuff starting to kick off in Saudi?
This was posted on Zero Hedge: Riyadh Storm Rising

Other news from around the Middle East:
Bahrain
Thousands of anti-government demonstrators have gathered outside the headquarters of Bahrain's state television as protests continue in the Gulf nation.

Friday's demonstration cames a day after sectarian clashes between members of the country's Sunni and Shia communities.

Demonstrators converged on the television building outside Manama, the capital, chanting slogans against the Sunni dynasty that has ruled the majority Shia population for more than 200 years......
Iraq
Thousands of people have converged on Baghdad's Tahrir, or Liberation, Square to protest against corruption and unemployment, despite a vehicle ban that forced many to walk for hours to the heart of the Iraqi capital.
Yemen
Yemeni soldiers opened fire on an anti-government protest in the country's north, killing at least four people and wounding around seven others, as demonstrations against president Ali Abdullah Saleh continued.
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