Interesting

ziggy12345 · Post by **ziggy12345** » 13 Jan 2011, 12:34

Ok you might not agree but it's funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdxaxJNs15s

Courtesy of Roger Helmer MEP

biffvernon · Post by **biffvernon** » 13 Jan 2011, 14:11

No, it's not in the least funny and Roger Helmer is a ...no President Obama says we mustn't be nasty to people who are...oopps,, nearly said it.

extractorfan · Post by **extractorfan** » 13 Jan 2011, 14:44

I thought it was a quite funny..

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 13 Jan 2011, 14:56

Made by an ignorant person, and not remotely funny unless you are also ignorant. Roger Helmer has been added to my list of politicians who haven't got a clue.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 13 Jan 2011, 15:02

http://www.rogerhelmer.com/plenary_cancun.asp

Our Green Policies are probably unnecessary, certainly ineffectual, and ruinously expensive.

There is a word for a person like this. It begins with a "c" and ends with "t".

And here he is with the local law-breaking posh twats. Tally-ho...

DominicJ · Post by **DominicJ** » 13 Jan 2011, 15:09

According to the Transistion Town Louth Website,

Stabilising at +2c by 2050 is now 'all but impossible' and that realistically, we're looking at +3.5c increase in global average temperature.

If thats true, then what has Helmer said thats untrue?
Surely its time to sod emissions and prepare for Drought/Floods and extreme Hot/Cold?

No?

extractorfan · Post by **extractorfan** » 13 Jan 2011, 15:12

UndercoverElephant wrote:Made by an ignorant person, and not remotely funny unless you are also ignorant. Roger Helmer has been added to my list of politicians who haven't got a clue.

how charming, I don't give a crap about fox hunters or posh twats, it was still quite funny. Maybe you missed the point?

eatyourveg · Post by **eatyourveg** » 13 Jan 2011, 15:16

DominicJ wrote:According to the Transistion Town Louth Website,
Stabilising at +2c by 2050 is now 'all but impossible' and that realistically, we're looking at +3.5c increase in global average temperature.
If thats true, then what has Helmer said thats untrue?
Surely its time to sod emissions and prepare for Drought/Floods and extreme Hot/Cold?

No?

Whatever, but it would help if you could change this 'I'm a realist, not a hippie' for this 'Black is white, and white is black'.

Post by **clv101** » 13 Jan 2011, 15:48

DominicJ wrote:If thats true, then what has Helmer said thats untrue?
Surely its time to sod emissions and prepare for Drought/Floods and extreme Hot/Cold?

Indeed, I was at a conference on Geoengineering at the Royal Society a few months ago and whilst not the scientists were as clear as that, it was the undertone and Bob Watson (Defra Chief Scientific Advisor) in the closing address stated the +2C limit was pretty much impossible now.

However - that's no argument not to curtail emissions, even though +2C is in the bag, there are still degrees of freedom for +3 and +4C!

Of course Watson wasn't allowing for a near term peak extraction rate of fossil fuels or the economic collapse of complex society - these two aspects remain outside the climate change community's scenario analysis.

ziggy12345 · Post by **ziggy12345** » 13 Jan 2011, 15:54

"When you are trying to save the planet every lie helps!"

Lol

Extractorfan gets it...

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 13 Jan 2011, 16:55

DominicJ wrote:According to the Transistion Town Louth Website,
Stabilising at +2c by 2050 is now 'all but impossible' and that realistically, we're looking at +3.5c increase in global average temperature.
If thats true, then what has Helmer said thats untrue?
Surely its time to sod emissions and prepare for Drought/Floods and extreme Hot/Cold?

No?

I can tolerate people arguing that it is too late to stop catastrophic climate change, although that does not imply that we should not still be trying to limit that damage. If we just say "sod it" then we will end up with a methane hydrate burp.

I cannot tolerate people who think that climatology is a "discredited science."

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 13 Jan 2011, 16:56

extractorfan wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote:Made by an ignorant person, and not remotely funny unless you are also ignorant. Roger Helmer has been added to my list of politicians who haven't got a clue.
how charming, I don't give a crap about fox hunters or posh twats, it was still quite funny. Maybe you missed the point?

What was the point?

Ludwig · Post by **Ludwig** » 13 Jan 2011, 18:32

UndercoverElephant wrote: I can tolerate people arguing that it is too late to stop catastrophic climate change, although that does not imply that we should not still be trying to limit that damage. If we just say "sod it" then we will end up with a methane hydrate burp.

I thought the methane had already started burping out?

I know of some climatologists who, when asked to help with a climate campaign, said, basically, "We'd love to, but what would be the point?" It seems the more people know, the more despairing they are.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 13 Jan 2011, 18:33

Let me tell you what the point in that video is: to spread politically-motivated anti-scientific propaganda. If your reaction to it is amusement rather than anger, then you do not understand what is currently going on in the world because you have already been influenced by propaganda just like this.

UndercoverElephant · Post by **UndercoverElephant** » 13 Jan 2011, 18:35

Ludwig wrote:
UndercoverElephant wrote: I can tolerate people arguing that it is too late to stop catastrophic climate change, although that does not imply that we should not still be trying to limit that damage. If we just say "sod it" then we will end up with a methane hydrate burp.

I thought the methane had already started burping out?

I know of some climatologists who, when asked to help with a climate campaign, said, basically, "We'd love to, but what would be the point?" It seems the more people know, the more despairing they are.

Some methane is already leaking from the northern permafrost. Occasional burps happen in the ocean but we are still a few degrees (nobody knows exactly how many but somewhere between 3 and 5 degrees above todays temperature) from the Big One.