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Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:10

AndySir wrote:You clearly haven't SEEN how deep the rabbit hole GOES. Branson's ramblings are clearly and elaborate TRIPLE-BLUFF. It's purpose? He is part of a shady, international, terrorist, pederast, elitist, secretive group which plans to detonate a dirty bomb inside the President's internet.

Of course!!! Thankyou Andy, how stupid of me!!

meemoe_uk · Post by **meemoe_uk** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:31

meemoe_uk · Post by **meemoe_uk** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:36

>Virgin are a major international airline. Talking up PO can only serve to cut their profit margins as the price of fuel rises - unless of course they are seriously concerned.
It's a reasonable counter case, but I've already covered the general case, and I agree with AndySir's sacastic take somewhat. Virgin aren't daft enough to oppose the cartel, they aren't going to start spending millions countering the cartels PO&AGW media&legal push because one of their most public companies doesn't gain. Virgin is spread over all industry, and has a history of hopping around the markets looking for the next big cashcow.
Virgin is alligned with the cartel, and I expect owns many companys the public don't know about that are posed to gain from the PO&AGW push.

I hope you can understand it's in a companys best interest to buyout other groups whose methods are directly threatening to the company's sales, but then keep the consumers in the dark that the big company whose unethical methods they oppose, own the company they buy their (ethical) products from? ( e.g. you all know Colgate ( flouride = evil toothpaste) bought out Tom's of Maine ( non flouride = good toothpaste )). This is absolute basics.
Virgin can't buyout the world energy cartels, so they do the next best thing. They buy into it and get with the PO&AGW program.

Anyway. It's not yet certain that the airlines will take long term damage from the PO program.
Just look at the more advanced program - AGW. Loads of industrys that should have been damaged from it becuase they are in violation of the principles have been left untouched. e.g. motor racing. While at the same time other groups have been hit by severe restrictions, eg. the consumer.

The world enconomy has swung between boom and bust for centurys. Big companys can handle it, only small businesses and nonconformists get weeded out. It won't be the 1st time the airlines have been through such a swing, e.g. the 1970s oil crises.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:58

meemoe_uk wrote: the cartels PO&AGW media&legal push

Is Exxon part of the cartel? They don't seem to be toeing the line with the 'AGW program' - in fact they have been actively opposing it, funding groups which seek to deny a link between man-made greenhouse gas emissions and global warming. Or is this another triple-bluff?

Virgin is alligned with the cartel,

Evidence?

and I expect owns many companys the public don't know about that are posed to gain from the PO&AGW push.

Science suggests that Virgin Galactic's proposed operations could be by far the worst single contribution to climate change from anything in the sky. In what way does Virgin benefit from this assessment?

Just look at the more advanced program - AGW. Loads of industrys that should have been damaged from it becuase they are in violation of the principles have been left untouched. e.g. motor racing. While at the same time other groups have been hit by severe restrictions, eg. the consumer.

I hardly think emissions from motor racing are one of the main threats to climate stability. And as for consumers being hit by severe restrictions, can you give me some examples?

I would put it to you that not only is 'big oil' in general desperately trying to undermine the science behind AGW to avoid expensive regulation, but that in fact most governments are gutless to impose any meaningful restrictions on fossil fuel use for fear of harming economic growth. As for the big fossil fuel companies owning green energy subsidiaries, well some do but BP actually sold theirs recently - the reason of course being that high carbon fuels are where the big bucks are. The big fossil fuel companies are not proponents of AGW, they are dead against it. It's not rocket science to understand why

madibe · Post by **madibe** » 30 Dec 2010, 19:16

I'm a bit concerned MeeMoe that you state RGR has posted thousands of posts... yes, he probably has; but most of them have been follow ups to his own original posts. Please take a look at his most recent diatribe. He posts three or four answers for every member response. The thread now runs to 20 pages - most of the comments are his. I see that he first asked a simple enough question or request... but this does not excuse a thread that just stone-walls everyones request for his qualifications or identity.

Unfortunately I believe that yourself and RGR are very strange. You post on a forum that you have no symbiosis with - you give little information, if any, to either disclose yourselves, your sources or your motives.

You would be better on another forum, patting each other on the back surely?

Meanwhile, here, (IMHO) we like to discuss issues, problems, solutions and help people see all the shite that is going down.

You merely muddy the already cloudy waters - which is fine... as long as you can contribute. Please tell us (along with RGR) where your information is coming from, what it means and how it will help. What are your sources and please... oh, please, why you believe that resources in a closed system are not finite. Are you saying that PO is a 'never never land', or just that forum members here have the timing wrong?

With respect, Maud.

woodpecker · Post by **woodpecker** » 30 Dec 2010, 19:25

AndySir · Post by **AndySir** » 30 Dec 2010, 19:27

From my reading of JD's forum and RGR's posts it looks as though the PO debunker crowd are trying to argue with Matt Savinar, but can't 'cause they got banned for saying something unreasonable like suggesting that possibly the moderator Old Horseman was not actually a paid up member of the Illuminati/Masons privy to secret information on the plans to destroy America. (How could they question it when it agreed so well with Savinar's astro-psychological chart of Bush?) So they spread out under the assumption that everyone concerned with resource depletion = Matt Savinar. We're just stand ins.

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 30 Dec 2010, 19:39

You have to admire these tryers who assault PO and AGW at the same time, and even try to conflate them into some kind of bizarre twisted smoke and mirrors conspiracy tapestry which, despite being full of holes and the most paranoid and outlandish claims imaginable, still manage to steer the reader to arrive at the conclusion that in fact everything is exactly ok just as it is, these things warrant no further thought and what we should really be doing is getting on with the capitalist consumer lifestyle which is so generously set out for we ungrateful little sheep.

meemoe_uk · Post by **meemoe_uk** » 30 Dec 2010, 20:03

Times up. Signing off guys. I'll reply sometime next week hopefully. all the best, for now.

marknorthfield · Post by **marknorthfield** » 30 Dec 2010, 20:55

Meemoe, when you return, could you please try to use '...ies' instead of '...ys' (e.g. companies/subsidies, not companys/subsidys). You managed it earlier with 'subcompanies' so I'm sure you could do it again if you put your formidable intellect to work.

Writing 'peak' and 'oil' as separate words would also be a good move. Using 'peakoil' makes you seem like you don't know what you're talking about, which is unfortunate.

Hope that helps.

(Apologies for dispensing slightly patronising advice unrequested: we all make the odd grammatical mistake, of course. It's just such a shame to see sincerely held convictions let down by a consistently sloppy use of English. Seemingly unimportant details can seriously undermine one's credibility, you know!)

Andy Hunt · Post by **Andy Hunt** » 30 Dec 2010, 21:13

I go on two internet forums, one full of drug-addled hippies and this one.

Just occasionally, very rarely, it's difficult to tell the difference, and this thread has definitely put me in the twilight zone.

As an aside, it seems quite ironic that the IEA now say that peak oil happened at exactly the time that meemoe was going through his/her epiphany and settled on the mother of all conspiracy theories as an explanation.

Lord Beria3 · Post by **Lord Beria3** » 30 Dec 2010, 21:40

Lots of conspiracy talk here, not one attempt to give sources or evidence. Its garbage like this that gives 'conspiracy theorists' a bad name... after all, there are conspiracy facts out there.

Sadly, expect a lot more of this kind of nonsense in the coming years. From the Left will be the argument that PO is a myth of the oil industry to justify high prices and the gorging of the general public and from the Right the myth that the oil is out there if only for the Arabs/Russians insert said group/nationality.

FACT: Conventional PO occured back in 2006. All liquid peak is within the next 2 decades (at the very latest) - either way, scarcity in energy is going to become a growing problem. Pretending it is not a problem will not mean you can escape the consequences!

madibe · Post by **madibe** » 30 Dec 2010, 22:43

woodpecker....DFFT...damn fast fourier transform?

Edited to add - stoopid... DFTT... dont feed the trolls LOL

JohnB · Post by **JohnB** » 31 Dec 2010, 11:21

maudibe wrote:woodpecker....DFFT...damn fast fourier transform?

Edited to add - stoopid... DFTT... dont feed the trolls LOL

DFFT would be Don't Feed F'ing Trolls - much more appropriate

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contadino · Post by **contadino** » 31 Dec 2010, 13:04

DFTT = Daft Fucker's Twisted Theories