The western world is entering a Dark Age

[the_lyniezian]

Without a working missile defence shield, I doubt it would be viable. Worst you can probably hope for is some sort of cold war otheriwse- I don't think anyone would be irrational to effect the inevitable consequences of MAD.

War of any extent I would see as being the causing of a fast crash, not the result, being as it might end up destroying those facilities the rest of the world's economy depends. Just a hunch, though.

[Andy Hunt]

I have heard it suggested that a mutually agreed limited nuclear exchange between the USA and China would solve both countries' resource issues.

[the_lyniezian]

I have heard it suggested that a mutually agreed limited nuclear exchange between the USA and China would solve both countries' resource issues.

If that assumes the destruction of many of their own citizens, I somehow doubt they'd ever agree to it somehow- at least not publically.

[Andy Hunt]

at least not publically.

Being the operative phrase. What would be worse for the respective governments - this option, sold to their own populations as war, with a ceasefire which enables rebuilding, or total internal collapse on both sides due to internal pressures?

[the_lyniezian]

at least not publically.

Being the operative phrase. What would be worse for the respective governments - this option, sold to their own populations as war, with a ceasefire which enables rebuilding, or total internal collapse on both sides due to internal pressures?

Sounds very much like conspiricy theory material though, even though there could be a perverse logic to it were it being applied.

I find it hard to believe most sane people would consider the ends justifying the means, though. Even if it's just a case of, what if the missile happens to land on your mother?

[Andy Hunt]

at least not publically.

Being the operative phrase. What would be worse for the respective governments - this option, sold to their own populations as war, with a ceasefire which enables rebuilding, or total internal collapse on both sides due to internal pressures?

Sounds very much like conspiricy theory material though, even though there could be a perverse logic to it were it being applied.

I find it hard to believe most sane people would consider the ends justifying the means, though. Even if it's just a case of, what if the missile happens to land on your mother?

I didn't say I thought it would be a good idea, and yes it is classic conspiracy theory material.

The populaces would know nothing about it, it would be between the governments. Some crazed Chinese general has said in the past that he would expect China to lose half of its cities in a nuclear war with the USA. why only half?

Chinese rulers have never shown much concern about the deaths of millions of their own citizens in the past.

[JohnB]

I find it hard to believe most sane people would consider the ends justifying the means, though. Even if it's just a case of, what if the missile happens to land on your mother?

Sane people in Government. Isn't that an oxymoron? I haven't seen much sign of it lately.

[Andy Hunt]

Classic tinfoil hat stuff (or is it? )

http://www.getxnews.com/tag/population-reduction/

– There is a plotted Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.
– It is plotted to start with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into dread and chaos – all carefully engineered.
– The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.
– During the nuclear ceasefire, there is plotted to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, “China will catch a cold”. Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.
– This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the “real” war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the plotted population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.
This horrific scenario has been plotted for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse – as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-plotted financial collapse of October 2008.

[the_lyniezian]

Classic tinfoil hat stuff (or is it? )

http://www.getxnews.com/tag/population-reduction/

– There is a plotted Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.
– It is plotted to start with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into dread and chaos – all carefully engineered.
– The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.
– During the nuclear ceasefire, there is plotted to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, “China will catch a cold”. Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.
– This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the “real” war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the plotted population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.
This horrific scenario has been plotted for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse – as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-plotted financial collapse of October 2008.

Not too sure I can trust a source that talks about "real" alien autopsies... and on top of that, aparently makes you pay to see the pictures.

[the_lyniezian]

I find it hard to believe most sane people would consider the ends justifying the means, though. Even if it's just a case of, what if the missile happens to land on your mother?

Sane people in Government. Isn't that an oxymoron? I haven't seen much sign of it lately.

There's not entirely sane and then there's psychopathic. That in context is the difference between callous indifference to the true state of affairs, and willingly and directly causing the deaths of millions.

[RenewableCandy]

I find it hard to believe most sane people would consider the ends justifying the means, though. Even if it's just a case of, what if the missile happens to land on your mother?

Sane people in Government. Isn't that an oxymoron? I haven't seen much sign of it lately.

Gah y'beat me to it

[emordnilap]

Classic tinfoil hat stuff (or is it? )

http://www.getxnews.com/tag/population-reduction/

– There is a plotted Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.
– It is plotted to start with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into dread and chaos – all carefully engineered.
– The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.
– During the nuclear ceasefire, there is plotted to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, “China will catch a cold”. Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.
– This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the “real” war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the plotted population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.
This horrific scenario has been plotted for generations. The first two world wars were part of the set-up for this final apocalypse – as is the centralization of financial resources that was precipitated with the equally well-plotted financial collapse of October 2008.

Sounds like a probability.

[UndercoverElephant]

At a recent Christmas do I ended up talking to a senior guy in a hedge fund and we had a fascinating discussion.

His conclusions were stark:

1) Growth is over and because growth is needed in the West, our entire government bonds, equities, housing and general markets are facing a deflationary collapse within 20 years.

So what does a "deflationary collapse" of the housing market actually mean? What does it mean for house prices?

[Lord Beria3]

They collapse back to the medium level of prices only 2.5 times the average salary of a working individual. Roughly a 50% collapse in general prices.

Of course its far more complicated than that